- From: Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>
- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:40:07 +1000
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 12 Jun 2009 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-irc Attendees Present Regrets Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe Cameron Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Layout 2. [5]Simple keywords 3. [6]ISSUE-2042 - Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax 4. [7]xlink:href 5. [8]New DOM syntax 6. [9]Test suite 7. [10]Mailing minutes to www-svg * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 12 June 2009 <scribe> Scribe: Cameron <scribe> ScribeNick: heycam Layout CM: flex box is progressing in css, what about other layout? CL: there's multi column ... might be dropped in implementations ... there's grid, which is mainly used for asian typography CM: not intended for big boxes of content in the grid? CL: no CM: template too [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-css3-layout-20090402/ [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-css3-layout-20090402/ DS: xsl wants areas that text flows in to, and areas that grow to fit the text ... we should make sure that whatever we do for text shape should work for those ... need to gather use cases & reqs for text flow shapes CM: a good way forward might be for someone to look at the flex layout and see how applicable it is to svg CL: as for the text flow problem, our flowText from the 1.2 draft is pretty different from what xsl needs ED: i'm more interested in the graphical content layout problem DS: i'm still interested in the one way constraints stuff <shepazu> DS: part of flexbox, as I understand it, is essentially the springs-and-struts model CM: i feel like high level layout (like flex boxes) plus one way for relative positioning might be a good balance ... the springs can't cross boxes, with flex boxes DS: if i have a rectangle and i want it to be a particular size, relative to other things around it, with a min height/width, seems like you could do that with the constraints CM: one way constraints are less useful than i'd thought a while ago DS: for some things i still want to use calc(bbox(some object) + 5) kind of functionality ... it's possible people would misuse the simple stuff and try to make things that are too complex CM: also seems bad to require complex implementations to solve simple use cases CL: for text flow, we limited our 1.2 draft solution to just simple paragraphs ... to avoid arbitrarily complex xsl-like formatting within svg ... want the sweet spot where small amount of functionality gets you lots of use DS: two problems with canned layout solutions ... one, they each only solve a particular problem ... if there's no underlying model, then it becomes harder to define and to understand how they work together CM: swing has a unifying model of rectangular components with min/preferred/max width and height CL: systems can work together fairly easily if you limit them to not work together ... if they're mutually exclusive DS: things tend to break down to specific syntax for those solutions, then ... so we need an underlying model to make them work together ... and so that people can understand how they work together CM: i think people will want to use multiple high level layouts together DS: maybe some you can combine some you can't? ... one thing that would be an easy win: [doug talks about the "chain font" example] scribe: so let's just allow shapes flowing along a path ... i think what goes along with that is navigation ... an implicit ordering CM: so like implicitly determining the nav-* properties DS: so for this pretty much textPath, but shapePath ED: i've had cases where i wanted to place images along a path, it's pretty difficult CL: the trivial case where someone wants the layout and gives a straight line path DS: how do these shapes become anchored? JW: two things tied into this shapes on a path ... i'd like percentages on a path ED: another way of doing it is markers, but they're not easy to use JW: also you might want minimum distances ... also, places objects on vertices ... like putting objects on each point of a star DS: so reusing textpath for shapes, many of these things we're thinking of for shapepath could be used in textpath too ... so laying out glyphs and shapes are similar CL: <shapepath>A b c <rect> <circle> d e f</shapepath> DS: i've been thinking about how to do connectors, how to connect things to arbitrary points on a shap ... often you want limited connection points ... e.g. for circles, top bottom right and left ... if it's a star, only on the points ... so i want to identify those points through some syntax, or have as a child of that shape, a bunch of <point> elements with their actual positions ... those <point>s could be constrained to be at particular points on the shape ... each could have an id, and you could say that one is the anchor point ... or you might have anchor-x, anchor-y on a shape CM: it's like setting the baseline for your shape ... if the <point>s are going to be used for other things, like connectors, then would make sense to reuse them ... otherwise, just use the anchor- attributes [doug draws] CL: can we do text on a path where each glyph has a constant rotation JW: there's marker orientation CM: i want automatically <use>d things along a path <ed> there's no way to disable the rotation on textpath though, no @orient attribute CM: to fill up the path ... to do train line like paths DS: you could have a stroke-dasharray type of mechanism to specify those repeated things ... you could specify like background-repeat ED: it's also like gradient spread method... reflect, pad, repeat, ... DS: currently text has an interesting property where later glyphs are drawn on top of earlier glyphs ... perhaps we want to allow painting glyphs in reverse order ... or maybe an arbitrary order ... painting order ... maybe you want to allow specifying multiple shape repeat patterns that get drawn over each other <scribe> ACTION: doug to write up a shape path proposal [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2616 - Write up a shape path proposal [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-19]. <shepazu> should also think about potential join points, might apply to fonts, depends on how complex it did it <shepazu> ... for patterns DS: there's a problem with tspan and the semantics of a word ... would be useful to define that tspan does not affect the underlying semantics of the text, it's just the positioning ... you can have multiple tspans that comprise a single word ... only a space in english defines a separate word ED: we should define how collapsed whitespace is assigned to particular text elements CL: <text font-size='50'>a[space]<tspan font-size='10'>[space]</tspan></text> -- how big is the single collapsed space? <jwatt> JW: I'd say the smaller of the two <ed> raised ISSUE-2280 CL: you can consider the shape-flowing-to-variable-width-path as a displacement map problem ... the path defines a complex gradient ... which you use as the displacement map <scribe> ACTION: cameron to play with css flex box to see how applicable it could be to svg [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2617 - Play with css flex box to see how applicable it could be to svg [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-19]. Simple keywords CM: i was thinking about vector-effect='strokeBelowFill' ED: or filter='drop-shadow' <scribe> ACTION: chris to add a strokeBelowFill canned vector effect [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2618 - Add a strokeBelowFill canned vector effect [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-06-19]. DS: i want to make sure that large stroke on text, where the stroke is behind the fill, works. where the stroke around the individual glyphs doesn't overlap. CL: yes that's possible with vector effects <shepazu> [16]http://chapelhillcomics.com/sample/TOP-LOGO.jpg [16] http://chapelhillcomics.com/sample/TOP-LOGO.jpg <ed> (discussion on vector-effects) ISSUE-2042 - Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax xlink:href ISSUE-2042? <trackbot> ISSUE-2042 -- Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax -- RAISED <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2042 [17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2042 CL: at one point i suggested combining the thing that holds the IRI and the thing that holds the type into one attribute ... so <image> would have src, and <a> would have href ... and have a generic category for other DS: so define it in terms of xlink CL: we'd define the mapping to xlink for the subset of xlink that we use ... xlink would have had a network effect if a bunch of specs used it, but they didn't ... what xlink was going to be changed mid-design [explains what xlink was meant to be and what it ended up as] scribe: so xlink:type="" doesn't tell you what to do (refer, embed); instead it's just a hint to the xlink processor ... so xlink gives you some generality, but not full generality ... it has enough generality to get in the way, though ... the promise of serving domain specific xml has been lost DS: for backwards compat and existing UAs we've still held on to xlink:href CL: you could come up with new attributes and deprecate xlink:href ... UAs need to support both, new content targetting new browsers can just use the new attrs, content supporting both needs both, etc. ... i propose svg 2 prefer a new xlink-less syntax that does just what we need ... and say what's the mapping of the new way to the old way DS: this is also applicable to svg in text/html JW: we need to decide which takes precedence ... we don't implement xlink, but we don't take some notice of some of the xlink attrs ... if we take the href attribute instead of xlink:href, should it then ignore all the other xlink attrs? or should the href override all of the xlink attributes? CL: suppose we had src, and it means xlink:type=embed. ED: the only two that are used are xlink:title and xlink:href CL: i've never seen xlink:role used in the wild JW: we pay attention to xlink:show <scribe> ... new or replace CM: like target CL: all the implementations took target in preference to xlink:show anyway JW: if the target attr is empty or not specified, it will look at xlink:show ... if href overrides xlink:href, should we then ignore xlink:show? CL: my off the cuff response to that is that when you find the new attribute, it overrides all xlink attrs DS: title and xlink:title are two different things ... xlink:title is the title of the linked to thing, and title is the title of the element it's on CL: we shouldn't force people to type xlink:type just to do that <ed> <a href="foo" title="bar" xlink:href="foo" xlink:title="bar"/> but should be possible to just do <a href="foo" title="bar"> in new content CM: hreflang exists, you could have hreftitle ED: seems like we all prefer new xlink-less attrs to override xlink ones JW: i'm not sure about that ... say now someone sticks xlink:href and href on the content ... the behaviour will be that impls follow the href DS: href and src CM: i'd rather align with html's attr names DS: i propose href to outgoing links and src for incoming links CL: not sure what you mean by incoming links DS: i mean for embedding type elements, like <image> CL: i don't think they all fall in to two different categories ... e.g. xlink:href on gradients ... what type is that? ... one aspect is whether it's embedded, one aspect is whether it's user actuated DS: the ability for us to adopt href and src for some of our elements, where the align, has a clear case ... i'd like to propose we resolve to, where there's a clear mapping to html, that we use the same attr name JW: i see the academic argument for distinct attr names ED: but it's confusing since it's not the same as in html JW: it's confusing because people are used to typing xlink:href for everyone ... two reasons to consider doing them with different names ... one is for recognition that they're different types of links ... the other one is consistency ... with html, specifically DS: html doesn't have some of these kinds of links, like gradient links CM: they have <label for>, but it's not a url <ed> break for lunch ed++ <ed> back for more of xlink <ed> ACTION: CL to research where svg uses links, and make a proposal for how to resolve ISSUE-2042 [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2619 - Research where svg uses links, and make a proposal for how to resolve ISSUE-2042 [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-06-19]. New DOM syntax <ed> ISSUE-2044? <trackbot> ISSUE-2044 -- Consider improving the SVG DOM interfaces for attribute access -- RAISED <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2044 [19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2044 CM: so ecmascript allows host objects to do that ... rectElement.x = 20; is just implemented with a custom [[Put]] on the SVGRectElement host object JW: not sure if xpcom will allow you to do that ED: it's just in the dom, just forwarding on the assignment ... in my quick test, just depending on the type of value you're assigning, you either use .baseVal.value or .baseVal.valueAsString CM: in html there's already something like this, window.location ... it's a Location object, but you can assign a string to it ... getting the values is a bit harder ... you can define [[DefaultValue]] on the SVGAnimatedLength ... that works ok for most types, but not for SVGAnimatedBoolean ... since ToBoolean in ecma-262 doesn't use [[DefaultValue]] JW: it's probably not feasible to throw away the current SVG DOM ... unless we come up with something exceptionally good, we'll need to stick with it ED: we should try to make it more useful as we can, though ... maybe deprecate some parts going forward DS: is it possible to make this in such a way such that we can also make it work for canvas? ED: i thought about it, it's not that simple ... it's not easy to generate something that would make any sense if you record all the drawing commands DS: we could make jquery-like or kevlin's createCircle() ... and allow dot syntax with that object CM: so maybe getContext('svg') then canvas drawing commands gets you an svg tree <scribe> ACTION: doug to write up a proposal for joint canvas/svg api, ISSUE-2044 [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2620 - Write up a proposal for joint canvas/svg api, ISSUE-2044 [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-19]. ED: for all of the list types, it feels very unnatural to use getItem() and getNumberOfItems() ... it's very un-javascript like JW: you already can use []-indexing on list objects ED: it's not in the spec though JW: it might be in DOM spec CM: but SVG doesn't say it <ed> would prefer .length and [i] instead of .numberOfItems and .getItem(i) CM: instead of or in addition to? ED: the hard one is the numberOfItems one CM: we could always just have .length as well ... also, SVGNumber is a bit sucky ... why not just have floats in an SVGNumberList ... you could do the same thing as with SVGLength, and have SVGNumber have a [[DefaultValue]] that turns it into a Number ED: another silly aspect is that you have to get the SVGSVGElement ... to create SVG types ... most of the times they're not inserted until later ... so having a constructor would be nice for the basic types JW: i think that works already in mozilla [21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/type-constructors/type-construct ors.txt [21] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/type-constructors/type-constructors.txt CM: i didn't propose constructors PathSegItem interfaces ... not sure how useful they would be ... but probably just improving SVGPathSegList would be better ED: so we want to move forward on these? CM: yes i think we could put these in a blank SVG 2.0 spec <scribe> ACTION: update template directory with build scripts [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - update <scribe> ACTION: cameron update template directory with build scripts [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2621 - Update template directory with build scripts [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-19]. <scribe> ACTION: cameron add these dom suggestions to a new svg 2.0 spec [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2622 - Add these dom suggestions to a new svg 2.0 spec [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-19]. Test suite <ed> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/021 8.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0218.html <ed> ACTION-2385? <trackbot> ACTION-2385 -- Anthony Grasso to make an XSLT to change the template of the 1.1 tests to the new one -- due 2008-12-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2385 [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2385 CL: dbaron explained reftests to us at csswg f2f JW: i demoed them to svgwg last f2f ... the important thing for us is that you can do pixel-perfect testing ... and thus automated testing ... i've written up some short docs on it CL: we use image patches, which are like ref tests ... but more for compensating for bugs in batik, to generate the reference png JW: it's very important for interop ... the references should be in svg, i think ... don't need a harness, implementors can write their own ... and have by-hand harnesses for people to use (not automatic test suite running) ... not sure if there's the need for a raster fallback CM: what's in the baseline? ... paths? JW: depends on the test <ChrisL> benefir of a reftest is that the set of fonts, the anti-aliasng, are the same for the reference and the test (both run on same machine) JW: you might want to start off with testing a rectangle with a fill, for example ... from that level you would build up from it ... so some tests depend on functionality tested in previous tests ... we call the basic ones "sanity tests" ... whatever assumptions you make in the reference for a test, make sure there are tests for those basic functionality in the test suite ... resolution independence is pretty much the only reason not to use raster reference images, for simple things like testing <rect> ... my further plans, as well as technical issues like test format, there are social issues and political issues around getting implementors to agree on things ... especially implementors allowing you to have automated ways of running the test suite in the browser ... organisation of tests, naming, how detailed they should be, should each test do one feature, or many features in one ... a few other things i was working on; how to structure the tree of tests so that different implementors could mark things as 'we fail this" ... e.g. if moz sends all their tests to opera, a bunch will probably faily ... you want to mark them as known fails, so that if they suddenly start passing they notify you ... but wouldn't keep the tree red ... this is one of the places where ref tests falls down, it doesn't support multiple implementors tagging this DS: danc says he's been interested in it for a while ... plh was really interested CL: related to passing tests around is the licence ... currently w3c licence is fairly restrictive ... the aim was to prevent vendors from grabbing a test suite, fiddling with it, then saying they pass the test ... but more important is to give ppl the freedom to modify the tests for their purposes ... so you can now licence them under a modified MIT licence ... i propose we use this in the future JW: i'd rather creative commons zero licence ... it's essentially public domain ... it frees people up for snippets of code etc. ... MIT requires you to have a header ... and say who the contributors were ... it's a very open licence, but is still a licence, and has these requirements CL: the advantage of doing it with the modified MIT licence is that it's currently allowed by w3c DS: i was skeptical there was a reason to push for CC0, and thought that there were useful aspects to a licence that requires attribution etc. ... if everyone wants to go for CC0, then that's fine JW: i'm happy with having provenance information in comments or metadata in the document ... but it's not a licence <ChrisL> So CC Attribution 3.0 Unported looks good to me <ChrisL> [27]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ [27] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ JW: to me, whether it's a licence or not, the point is that we don't want people to propagate modified tests DS: that's the non-malicious case ... what if a group want to remove some features from a test suite that they don't want, and distribute that? ED: i wonder if there's a licence that fits out of the box <ChrisL> actually this one is better <ChrisL> [28]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/BSD/ [28] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/BSD/ <ChrisL> and arguably more applicable to markup (code) <jwatt> [29]http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.h tml [29] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html CL: a three-clause bsd licence JW: that's what the current test suite is under <ChrisL> is it really iunder that? JW: i want people to be able to take snippets out of the test slides too ... and reuse them at will DS: can we have the individual tests under once license, and the test suite as a whole under another? CL: for the new template, i'd like a link to this licence ... not the wall of capital letters <ChrisL> lets just have a link to W3C 3-clause BSD License in the test harness ED: i think it would be good to move to the bsd licence CM: will other implementors want to contribute with w3c 3-clause bsd licenced tests? ... or would they be unhappy with anything but something like public domain / cc0 JW: are we still open to discussion on using other licences in the future? DS: yes RESOLUTION: We will move the SVG test suite to the new W3C 3-clause BSD licence <scribe> ACTION: erik to convert the test suites to use the 3-clause bsd licence [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2623 - Convert the test suites to use the 3-clause bsd licence [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-19]. <ed> [31]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/script/f11_1st_ 2_f11_2nd.pl [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/script/f11_1st_2_f11_2nd.pl ED: we'll wait for anthony to finish the test suite conversion script, then convert it and check it ... there are some 1.1 tests that need review <scribe> ACTION: erik to go through the test suite to see which ones need reviewing, and put that list on a wiki page [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action10] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2624 - Go through the test suite to see which ones need reviewing, and put that list on a wiki page [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-19]. Mailing minutes to www-svg JW: i propose that we CC the minutes to www-svg ED: i don't disagree with that, but they should still be on public-svg-wg DS: charter says we have to send to public-svg-wg at least ED: i'm concerned conversations will fork CM: i don't think that forking is a problem ... i'd be happy with doing technical discussion on www-svg DS: we can't just CC the mail ... we could send to www-svg and bcc public-svg-wg ... we should have a disclaimer about the minutes being sent out ... when this was mentioned to chris yesterday (sending minutes to www-svg) he was concerned about that as a policy and i suspect that his concern may in part have been that the minutes are not clear if you weren't there ... and also that it might generate a lot of noise, feedback before our ideas are fully baked ... but that's just my guess on his concern is CM: personally i'm happy if people can see our half baked ideas JW: i suggest some disclaimer text <jwatt> DISCLAIMER: The SVG Working Group provides these minutes, unedited, in the interest of timely openness. The lack of editing may make them difficult to understand or subject to misinterpretation outside of context. If you find that to be the case, polite requests for clarification are welcome. DS: i think it's a worthwhile experiment to see if the policy causes problems ... i'll note that this is how we operate in the Web Apps WG, and it has caused a lot of discussion, but not problems ... work with the dom has generated helpful input JW: if everything is done out of public view, and presented all at once, you get a flood of comments ... which is hard to deal with ... if you send the minutes gradually, it heads off a whole swamp of upset people ... by giving them a chance to voice their concerns at an earlier stage DS: before we've put too much work in to a solution that has problems CM: we had the thread on style/script in text/html on www-svg ... that worked ok DS: since the svg wg has shown that we are trying harder towards being better integrated into the web architecture, open web platform, i think people are less prone to jump to bad conclusions JW: one thing not in the disclaimer is about new ideas here not being final ... often discussion about embryonic ideas ... and many of them could be thrown away DS: or may not be the solution we settle on JW: i'd like to keep the disclaimer short DS: we should send something to www-svg before we start doing this, signalling our intentions/concerns/... ... brainstorming ... "we were encouraged by recent conversations on www-svg and we want to see as an experiment if working completely in the open works for us" RESOLUTION: We will send minutes to www-svg as well as public-svg-wg as a first step <scribe> ACTION: doug to send mail to www-svg with explanation of what we'll be doing with minutes sending [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action11] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2625 - Send mail to www-svg with explanation of what we'll be doing with minutes sending [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-19]. <ed> trackbot, make minutes <trackbot> Sorry, ed, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: cameron add these dom suggestions to a new svg 2.0 spec [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: cameron to play with css flex box to see how applicable it could be to svg [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: cameron update template directory with build scripts [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: chris to add a strokeBelowFill canned vector effect [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: CL to research where svg uses links, and make a proposal for how to resolve ISSUE-2042 [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: doug to send mail to www-svg with explanation of what we'll be doing with minutes sending [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action11] [NEW] ACTION: doug to write up a proposal for joint canvas/svg api, ISSUE-2044 [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: doug to write up a shape path proposal [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: erik to convert the test suites to use the 3-clause bsd licence [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: erik to go through the test suite to see which ones need reviewing, and put that list on a wiki page [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action10] [NEW] ACTION: update template directory with build scripts [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/12-svg-minutes.html#action06] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [46]scribe.perl version 1.135 ([47]CVS log) $Date: 2009/06/12 22:45:52 $ _________________________________________________________ [46] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.135 of Date: 2009/03/02 03:52:20 Check for newer version at [48]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [48] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/pad/pad, repeat/ Succeeded: s/the PathSegList/PathSegItem/ Succeeded: s/ideass/ideas/ Succeeded: s/sohrt/short/ Found Scribe: Cameron Found ScribeNick: heycam WARNING: No "Present: ... 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