- From: Erik Dahlström <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:27:24 +0200
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
03 Jun 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0189.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chris
Chair
ed
Scribe
jwatt
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ODF Liaison
2. [6]F2F
3. [7]SVG integration
4. [8]ISSUE-2275 - Define processing for @type in script
elements
5. [9]ACTION-2525
6. [10]ISSUE-2038 - Description of conditional processing
attributes inconsistent
7. [11]ISSUE-2046 - Allow negative startOffset for textPath
elements
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 03 June 2009
<ed> scribe: jwatt
<ed> scribeNick: jwatt
ODF Liaison
<ed> ODF response:
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/018
3.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0183.html
DS: not heard back from them for a few months, so wanted to check
that they weren't going off on some other direction, but that
doesn't seem to be the case
ED: do we want someone to go to their meetings
DS: would be good for one of us to go to their meetings too
... see what each other's cultures are like
... SVG isn't going to be talked about a lot at theirs, so it would
probably only be on occassion
[discussion about who could attend]
DS: I guess I would be the best person
JW: and I might on occassion
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to send email to ODF saying a couple of us
would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about
SVG [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2591 - Send email to ODF saying a couple
of us would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk
about SVG [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].
ED: would be good to have them here for a telcon to get started too
F2F
DS: attending me, jwatt, chris, heycam, ed
... anthony dialing in
[discussion about travel and accommodation, etc.]
SVG integration
<shepazu>
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html
[15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html
<shepazu>
[16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html#sv
g-elements
[16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html#svg-elements
DS: want to draw your attention to these tables
... thought Attributes and Properties could be collated into one
table
CM: probably you will have to have multiple rows for attributes and
properties with the same name
<heycam>
[17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/attindex.html
[17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/attindex.html
ED: we tried having a single table for attributes and properties for
the Opera documentation, but it turned out to confuse people due to
clashes
<ed> [18]http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto211/#graphics
[18] http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto211/#graphics
CM: see the 'cx' attribute at the link I just gave
... so the number of rows would depend on how many definitions there
are
JW: another problem with a joint table is I seem to remember some
attributes and properties with the same name are only animatable on
some elements, even though they are usable on more
DS: all the definitions in the table would be linked back to the
relevant parts of the spec
CM: an advantage of the table is that you'd be able to list for one
element the attributes and properties you're allowed to put on that
element
DS: all the modules that we're working on now would have to be
listed under the 2.0 column
... how hard would it be to have an automated way to generate this
list?
JW: automated solutions can be prone to errors too
DS: maybe we could have a list of things to hand edit in?
CM: I think we could do something, but it might be trickier where we
have to merge things from multiple specs
DS: I raised this now because an implementer asked for a diff of the
specs
... seems to me this would be the best way of fulfilling that
request
ED: rng files for the specs would help with making these tables
DS: robin may be willing to help with the rng files, and is probably
the person that knows rng best
CM: chris has an action to make an rng for SVG 1.1
... how it works currently is the list is just in a separate XML
file
... but we want to remove that duplication and source of conflicting
information
... I'll look into that
DS: I'll contact robin
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on
build scripts) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2592 - Contact Robin about RNG (so CM can
work on build scripts) [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].
JW: if we annotate which attributes are animatable, the build script
could flag attributes that are only animatable on a subset of
elements to which it would be applicable
ED: one thing that would be good to add to the Integration spec
would be how SVG fonts are used outside SVG
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to ask Chris what should go into the
Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2593 - Ask Chris what should go into the
Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts [on Doug Schepers - due
2009-06-10].
ISSUE-2275 - Define processing for @type in script elements
ED: we don't really define how 'type' affects script processing
... maybe we could even fix that for the errata for SVG 1.1 to bring
it into alignment with HTML
CM: if bringing into alignment with HTML, we may not want
contentScriptType to affect <script> when it has no 'type'
JW: I think it would be okay for it to affect it in that case
CM; so SVG and HTML <script> would have slightly different behaviour
CM: which would be confusing if you had both in the same document
ED: using contentScriptType is fairly uncommon, so it would usually
be okay
JW: in practice, Opera and Mozilla don't require 'type' on <script>,
and I'd guess Webkit is the same
CM: HTML5 has some pretty complex rules on determining the encoding
of external scripts
ED: yes, although that's a different issue, if related
CM: do you want to also handle that Ed?
ED: I don't think we want to do that for the errata, but for Core
2.0, sure
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to raise an issue to determine the encoding of
external <script> [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2594 - Raise an issue to determine the
encoding of external <script> [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to define how the 'type' attribute affects
<script> processing [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2595 - Define how the 'type' attribute
affects <script> processing [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
ACTION-2525
<ed>
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/019
0.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0190.html
ED: Chris made errata item
... he changed the errata.xml, and is asking us to review his change
<ed> ...looks fine to me
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to fold in the errata item he created for
ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2596 - Fold in the errata item he created
for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [on Chris Lilley - due
2009-06-10].
<ed> [25]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#colorSyntax
[25] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#colorSyntax
<ed> probably needs an errata for 1.2T too then
<anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Search through 1.2T to see if errata
item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2597 - Search through 1.2T to see if
errata item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to
the 1.2T [on Anthony Grasso - due 2009-06-10].
<heycam>
[27]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/types.html#DataType
Color
[27] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/types.html#DataTypeColor
<heycam> ACTION-2596: Note that you'll also need to update the
grammar just below that modified text to allow "rgb(" case
insensitively.
<trackbot> ACTION-2596 Fold in the errata item he created for
ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition notes added
ISSUE-2038 - Description of conditional processing attributes
inconsistent
CM: the description of conditional processing attributes in 5.8.1 is
different to 5.8.2 in Tiny 1.2
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to fix ISSUE-2038 [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2598 - Fix ISSUE-2038 [on Cameron
McCormack - due 2009-06-10].
ISSUE-2046 - Allow negative startOffset for textPath elements
ED: I think it would be fine to just clip away any text that is at a
negative offset
... negative values are allowed in ASV, and I think we made that the
case for Opera too
JW: seems to make sense to me
ED: should we fix this for 1.1?
JW: I think so
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset
in 1.1 [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2599 - Fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative
startOffset in 1.1 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
so now that we're done, have any of you guys seen
[30]http://www.tapper-ware.net/2009/05/perspective-texture-with-6-li
nes-of-svg.html ?
[30] http://www.tapper-ware.net/2009/05/perspective-texture-with-6-lines-of-svg.html
RRSAgent: make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Search through 1.2T to see if errata item
from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to fix ISSUE-2038 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to fold in the errata item he created for
ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to ask Chris what should go into the Integration
spec for SVG for SVG fonts [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on
build scripts) [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to send email to ODF saying a couple of us would
be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about SVG
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to define how the 'type' attribute affects <script>
processing [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset in
1.1 [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to raise an issue to determine the encoding of
external <script> [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action04]
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Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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