- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:48 +0200
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Hello public-svg-wg, Minutes of the 25 May 2009 SVG f2f are here http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html and below as text SVG Working Group Teleconference 25 May 2009 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-irc Attendees Present Shepazu, ed, anthony, jwatt, heycam` Regrets Chair Cameron Scribe ChrisL Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]SVG 1.1 Second Edition update 2. [5]California F2F dates and venue; TPAC 2009 schedule 3. [6]TPAC 4. [7]Raleigh F2F agenda 5. [8]href in SVG 6. [9]Other f2f topics * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2009 SVG 1.1 Second Edition update CmcC: Finished collecting diffs wrt first edition ... put in a changes appendix ... all the ones *not* captured by errata CL: why exclude changes from the eratta? CMcC: there is a link CL: People mostly want to know what changed, not necessarily why. Could be confusing DS: Agree with Chris CMcC: Please review the diffs DS: Suggest discussing at f2f ED: Yes CMcC: Errata ostly not folded in yet ... some will not be clean patches due to other overlappig updates, so be careful when applying them. DS: There are 66 errata in total CMcC: Split them up and assign them? DS: Yes AG: So 11 each DS: Split the complex ones evenly CMcC: Prefer to have the spec ready to publish at the end of the f2f. DS: Cameron, hand out tasks CL: Yes, go for it CMcC: Got errata published CL: Can fix encoding issue with .htaccess file [11]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-htaccess-charset [11] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-htaccess-charset CMcC: Some actions need to be done before f2f ... will sift through tracker and add actions to that list ED: What about test cases? CMcC: Not all errata have tests, some diffs may need tests also AG: Cat 2 and 1 errata will not need test cases, mostly ED: Some tests in the old repository, need to dig them out CMcC: Who will look for missing tests? <ed> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-case s/ [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-cases/ <ed> (that's the old tests) AG: We should add tests as we add in errata, spreads the load CMcC: OK so I will do the non-errata tests and the people allocated errata should add the tests too <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to identify test cases needed for changes in the changes appendix for 1.1SE [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2573 - Identify test cases needed for changes in the changes appendix for 1.1SE [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-01]. <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to allocate errata fold-in tasks to active WG embers [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2574 - Allocate errata fold-in tasks to active WG members [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-01]. California F2F dates and venue; TPAC 2009 schedule CMcC: Decided to go for just before SVGOpen <ed> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009 [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009 DS: Only advantage of afterwards is immediate update from the conference. But before is fine CMcC: JWAtt, is Mozilla ok to host a meeting? JW: Waiting to hear back CMcC: Workshops are higher priority as needs more space JW: Mozilla also moving buildings which complicates things DS: Will be looking at the space at Google, next week. Could ask if they would host us, its just one room. ... Or we could rotate around the cafes ..... (discussion of the number and size of workshops at svg open) TPAC [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html DS: Mini-TPAC was seen as competing with main tpac so we can't do it. ... some of us may attend anyway to do coordination rather than svg wg specific stuff ... call-in for specific topics also a possibility CMcC: Want to get topics arranged in advance DS: There is a USD 50/day charge for TPAC this year AG: still getting approval for TPAC ... depends on travel-ban for health scare stuff Raleigh F2F agenda [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/NCF2F2009 [17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/NCF2F2009 DS: So we have errata checking for publication of 1.1SE by end of the meeting CMcC: What else ED: Thought there was an action to fill this in already? Please fill in the registration form [18]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/NC2009/ [18] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/NC2009/ <ed> [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-svg-minutes.html#item03 [19] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-svg-minutes.html#item03 CL: Need list of CSS-SVG coord topics for CSS f2f agenda. Then the results can be disussed at svg the week after CMcC: Module reports and issues arising ED: Folding in the applying filters to html stuff that roc sent in CL: Good idea CMcC: Also add goals for the meeting Topic; ISSUE-2273: Should negative index values raise INDEX_SIZE_ERR [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2273 [20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2273 Does not raise an index size error exception CMcC: Param is unsigned long so no negative numbers possible anyway ... would be casrt to unsigned int ... which other methods raise this? ED: replaceItem, getItem ... SVG not the only spec to face this issue CMcC: Older specs that don't reference WebIDL <ed> [21]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-FF21A306 [21] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-FF21A306 ED: DOM3Core hasan insertData which throws on negative even though ther parameter is unsigned long CMcC: touint32 tends to be used CL: so it would re-interpret the bit pattern and end up with a huge number not a negative one CcC: Yes ... need to test implementations ... with large magnitude negative numbers ... not sure without testing first ED: Don't think iplementations throw exception, but some may flag as a security breach ... or crash ... s a hint to trap this is good. Prefer throwing to be consistent. CMcC: Agree, and tend more to removing it rather than adding it here ... could mention in ecmascript binding appendix ED: Yes, that makes more sense JW: Out of our scope surely ... converted before SVG even sees it CMcC: yes, not our layer. But unless WebIDL is referenced we can either not mention it, leave it undefined, or document current practice JW: Prefer to see this as authoring guidelines CL: sounds like good wording CMcC: Prefer that wording and removing the negative index exception ED: OK Resolution: We will remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods <ed> "INDEX_SIZE_ERR: Raised if the index number is negative or greater than or equal to numberOfItems." -> "INDEX_SIZE_ERR: Raised if the index number is greater than or equal to numberOfItems." <scribe> ACTION: Erik to remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods and mention in changes appendix in 1.1SE [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2575 - Remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods and mention in changes appendix in 1.1SE [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-01]. ED: What to edit? CMcC: Edit the IDL file, the appendix inclusion is automatic ... and edit the changes appandix manually href in SVG <shepazu> [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-svg-minutes.html#item07 [23] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-svg-minutes.html#item07 ISSUE-2042? <trackbot> ISSUE-2042 -- Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax -- RAISED <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2042 [24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2042 DS: Robin did clarify somewhat but not completely <shepazu> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009May/0041.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009May/0041.html CL: Needs more discussion DS: A middle ground is to allow xlink: to be dropped, and also allow src as well as href in places where html allows it AG: Concerned about backwards compatibility CMcC: Yes, prefer to se html compat rather than an xlink rewrite ... leads into a wider discussion at f2f Other f2f topics DS: Want to see a serious discussion about enhanced gradients ... deigners using multiple gradients and blur, but its awkward CL: three possibilities have been discussed, diffusion curves, trimesh and coons patches AG: diff curves paper used OpenGL accelleration, but was done in 2 passes ... the last blur step is the performance killer, if there is no hw accel CmcC: Good to have more info on these for f2f (chris describes image borders and drop shadows in css3) <scribe> ACTION: Erik to check with Opera implementors on css3 image borders, slicing/scaling and SVG use [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2576 - Check with Opera implementors on css3 image borders, slicing/scaling and SVG use [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-01]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to allocate errata fold-in tasks to active WG embers [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to identify test cases needed for changes in the changes appendix for 1.1SE [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to check with Opera implementors on css3 image borders, slicing/scaling and SVG use [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to remove the negative index size error exception on list interface methods and mention in changes appendix in 1.1SE [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/25-svg-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org Technical Director, Interaction Domain W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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