Minutes: March 9 SVG Accessibility Task Force Meeting

[1:06pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: scribe: Rich <member:Rich>
[1:06pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: RRSAgent, make log public
[1:06pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: meeting: SVG A11y Task Force
[1:06pm] fesch <member:fesch>: Topic: Round the table, news, additions for the agenda
[1:07pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: Joanie had a big drop in webkit for SVG accessibility
[1:08pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: Joanie sent link to Dominic and Alex Z.
[1:08pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: MicroSoft is busy right now
[1:08pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: present+ shepazu <member:shepazu>
[1:09pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: q+
[1:09pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> sees chaals, shepazu <member:shepazu> on the speaker queue
[1:09pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: ack chaals
[1:09pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> sees shepazu <member:shepazu> on the speaker queue
[1:09pm] fesch <member:fesch>: ack chaals
[1:09pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> sees shepazu <member:shepazu> on the speaker queue
[1:09pm] fesch <member:fesch>: ack shep
[1:09pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> sees no one on the speaker queue
[1:09pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: I noticed that SSB Bart just joined the SVG working group
[1:10pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: Brian McNeily
[1:11pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: seeing more SVG intermingled with HTML on web pages
[1:12pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: doug: I believe the only reason SSB joined the SVG working group was for SVG accessibility
[1:14pm] AmeliaBR <member:identifier:ameliabr>: present+ Jason White
[1:14pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: I did make it 
[1:14pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: q+
[1:14pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> sees shepazu <member:shepazu> on the speaker queue
[1:15pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: googledocs now exports to epub 3.0.1
[1:16pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: We are effectively our own working group even though we are a task force.
[1:17pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: I would like us to meet at TPAC
[1:17pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: there was some talk about tagging on with the CSS working group 
[1:18pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: s/Doug: I would like us to meet at TPAC/Doug: do we want to meet at TPAC?/
[1:18pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: There will probably other SVG meetings this year. 
[1:18pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: dates have not been set. 
[1:19pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: If we can get a lot of people doing double duty. 
[1:20pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: If I am holding an ARIA working group meeting I will carve out some time at TPAC
[1:20pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: One more piece of news 
[1:20pm] • Rich <member:identifier:rich> says Columbo
[1:21pm] • shepazu <member:shepazu> or Steve Jobs… "One more thing…"
[1:21pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: postpone the topic about SVG graphics in w3c specs. Most are not accessible
[1:22pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: Most of the things we want to do is give them a recommendation on how to make them accessible … such as the gamepath graphics
[1:22pm] fesch <member:fesch>: action-2008
[1:22pm] • trackbot <member:trackbot> is looking up action-2008.
[1:22pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: action-2008 -- Doug Schepers to define authoring practices related to links -- due 2016-02-02 -- OPEN
[1:22pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2008 <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2008>
[1:23pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: I thin Charles has a place on github for an authoring document. Would you put that in there?
[1:23pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: s/thin/think/
[1:24pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: I will try to get this by April 6
[1:25pm] fesch <member:fesch>: action-2003
[1:25pm] • trackbot <member:trackbot> is looking up action-2003.
[1:25pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: action-2003 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Investigate how role=none interacts with other aria- attributes, in other aria specs. -- due 2016-03-01 -- OPEN
[1:25pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2003 <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2003>
[1:26pm] fesch <member:fesch>: action-2015
[1:26pm] • trackbot <member:trackbot> is looking up action-2015.
[1:26pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: action-2015 -- Amelia Bellamy-Royds to Modify the svg2 spec. to require authors when useing <title> or <desc> to not leave them empty or with only white space. an author must -- due 2016-03-01 -- OPEN
[1:26pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2015 <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2015>
[1:26pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: I should be able to do that in the SVG2 spec. There were no objections to my edits. I will push that tomorrow and make the other edits
[1:27pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: For the SVG AAM edits I pushed some of the little edits and I may try to push the SVG AAM
[1:27pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: agenda+ WAI coordination meeting
[1:27pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> notes agendum 7 added
[1:27pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: Should we publish the SVG AAM and graphics AAM after CSUN?
[1:28pm] fesch <member:fesch>: Topic: Heartbeats and FPWD
[1:29pm] fesch <member:fesch>: rs: should we wait for after CSUN for a heartbeat and graphics AAM
[1:31pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: Michael is going to restructure the directories after CSUN
[1:32pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: RESOLUTION: Michael to not publish SVG-AAM but to wait until FPWD for the GRAPHICS-AAM is ready
[1:33pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Topic: ARIA 1.1 testing
[1:33pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: The testable statements on the wiki page - should we go to a platform specific result
[1:34pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: there are places where the platforms diverge
[1:35pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: We have mappings on how SVG maps to ARIA data and then how ARIA data maps to platform a11y
[1:35pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: Keep the 2 separate
[1:35pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: once they convert it we can edit it by hand
[1:35pm] • Zakim <member:identifier:zakim> Rich <member:Rich>, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
[1:36pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: do you want me to convert it so that we can see the platform specific stuff on the page. 
[1:36pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: fine if you like perl scripts 
[1:37pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: We need one difinitive reference
[1:37pm] shepazu <member:shepazu>: s/difinitive/definitive/
[1:38pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: RESOLUTION: Convert the wiki pages with the testable statements to also include the platform api mappings
[1:38pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: I would like the testharness version be the official reference
[1:39pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: Yes, I genrate the testharness from the wiki page
[1:39pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: s/genrate/generate/
[1:39pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Topic: Accessible SVG Authoring Practices
[1:40pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: fred: Charles has a think in github
[1:40pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: s/think/thing/
[1:40pm] fesch <member:fesch>: https://github.com/SVG-access-W3CG/new-note-draft <https://github.com/SVG-access-W3CG/new-note-draft>
[1:41pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: this is just a scratch page - no scratch page
[1:42pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: Shouldn’t this be published by the SVG working group?
[1:43pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: We will make this a joint publication between SVG and ARIA
[1:44pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: Grab the ARIA authoring practices to create it
[1:46pm] fesch <member:fesch>: http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html <http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html>
[1:46pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: ACTION: Fred talk with Michael Cooper to determine where to place the SVG Accessibility authoring practices
[1:46pm] • trackbot <member:trackbot> is creating a new ACTION.
[1:46pm] trackbot <member:trackbot>: Created ACTION-2017 - Talk with michael cooper to determine where to place the svg accessibility authoring practices [on Fred Esch - due 2016-03-16].
[1:46pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/>
[1:46pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: jason: The SVG authoring practices needs to include more than just ARIA
[1:47pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: Do we want to organize it in the same manner?
[1:47pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: We will be doing design patterns more for figures and charts. 
[1:48pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: keyboard navigation etc. need to be in there
[1:49pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: If you want, I can also ask the rest of the SVG working group about whether they want this to be just an SVG authoring practices guide
[1:51pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: most of the authoring guidelines will be SVG related
[1:51pm] AmeliaBR <member:identifier:ameliabr>: From 2000: https://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-access/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-access/>
[1:52pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: if we have a document call SVG authoring practices it will be clearer
[1:54pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: I can start in ARIA 
[1:56pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: We need more than 5 minutes to discuss w3c docs with SVG
[1:56pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Topic: Post ARIA 1.1
[1:57pm] fesch <member:fesch>: https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions <https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions>
[1:58pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: We had these long standing discussions with multiple proposals
[1:59pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason:  We had a couple of different proposals rolling around with disagreements
[1:59pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: It would be nice to get some directions on this
[2:00pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: I started on the mathmatics and science work
[2:01pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Doug: Fred and Rich <member:Rich> I am often not able to attend the WAI coordination call. Are you comfortable with conveying that information? Rich <member:Rich> - yes (fred or I)
[2:02pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Rich <member:Rich>: We have a lot to look at for web components in ARIA 2.0
[2:03pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Fred: should we start addressing color blind issues, etc.
[2:03pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Amelia: That is why we need to work on the authoring practices guide
[2:03pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: There is an ongoing discussion on how ARIA can be used in broader ways
[2:04pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: Jason: We should not be make assumptions on how ARIA might be confined in the coming years
[2:04pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: RRSAgent, make log public
[2:05pm] Rich <member:identifier:rich>: zakim <member:zakim>, bye


Rich Schwerdtfeger