- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:04:03 -0700
- To: Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>
- Cc: "public-aria@w3.org" <public-aria@w3.org>, SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <f42b92fc-c000-d317-dfca-89689bb95fd4@oracle.com>
Thanks so much Ameia - that is really helpful. On 7/5/2016 4:39 PM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds wrote: > aria-hidden: true is the approach I'd recommend for hiding inline SVG > markup, since it hides the entire document fragment. Or it should, > anyway, if the AT are implementing aria-hidden correctly; I've had > testers say that they needed to add role="presentation" all the way > down the tree to properly hide a fragment from some browser/AT combos. That is very ugly - Can you give me a hint as to which browsers require the role=presentation all the way down the tree. in addition to aria-hidden=true. > > Depending on the context, you could also hide the details of the > markup by a role with the children presentational property to a parent > element, provided its name isn't derived from contents. So, if you > have an SVG icon inside a button, and that button has an aria-label, > then you shouldn't need to explicitly hide the SVG markup. These SVG elements are part of a menubar (the associated text is a focusable menuitem, the SVG needs to just go away as it is redundant and can't be a child of the menubar according to the spec....). Without changing the structure I don't think I can do it this way. > > More generally: if the SVG does not include any text content, alt text > content, or interactive content, then according to our latest mapping > recommendations, role="presentation" on the <svg> should effectively > remove the SVG from the accessibility tree: basic shapes and use > elements are only supposed to be included if the author has given them > alt text, a role, or interactivity. But my recommendation would be to > only use role="presentation" for cases when you want the SVG to be > transparent (e.g., styled text where you just want the text content > read out without identifying it as a graphic), and use aria-hidden for > actually hiding redundant or purely decorative content. This doesn't seem to be implemented. > > One other thing: to prevent the <svg> element from gaining tab focus > in IE/Edge, add a (obsolete, defined in SVG Tiny > 1.2) focusable="false" attribute. I wasn't aware that SVG elements took focus in IE/Edge. I will have to look into that. Do you know if there is a MSFT bug logged based on this behaviour? regards, James > > ~Amelia > > On 5 July 2016 at 16:45, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com > <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote: > > I found myself needing to hide some decorative SVG graphics from > the accessibility API today. Is aria-hidden="true" the only method > we have for doing this? It seemed like it was to me - did I miss > anything obvious? > > > -- > Regards, James > > Oracle <http://www.oracle.com> > James Nurthen | Principal Engineer, Accessibility > Phone: +1 650 506 6781 <tel:+1%20650%20506%206781> | Mobile: +1 > 415 987 1918 <tel:+1%20415%20987%201918> | Video: > james.nurthen@oracle.com <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com> > Oracle Corporate Architecture > 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Cty, CA 94065 > Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is > committed to developing practices and products that help protect > the environment > > -- Regards, James Oracle <http://www.oracle.com> James Nurthen | Principal Engineer, Accessibility Phone: +1 650 506 6781 <tel:+1%20650%20506%206781> | Mobile: +1 415 987 1918 <tel:+1%20415%20987%201918> | Video: james.nurthen@oracle.com <sip:james.nurthen@oracle.com> Oracle Corporate Architecture 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Cty, CA 94065 Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment
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