Re: urn:solid: for prototyping predicates

po 26. 5. 2025 v 10:32 odesílatel Tobias Käfer <kaefer@fzi.de> napsal:

> Dear all,
>
> Am 26.05.25 um 09:56 schrieb Melvin Carvalho:
>
> > po 26. 5. 2025 v 9:33 odesílatel Christoph Braun <braun3@fzi.de
> > <mailto:braun3@fzi.de>> napsal:
> >     On 25/05/2025 08:54, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> >>     čt 22. 5. 2025 v 15:32 odesílatel Christoph Braun <braun3@fzi.de
> >>     <mailto:braun3@fzi.de>> napsal:
> >>
> >>         I would like to propose dogfooding our own technology.
> >>
> >>         An app developer wants to build an app:
> >>         - they search the Solid Catalog (or similar to other vocab
> >>         repos [1] ) for suitable vocabularies
> >>         - if they do not find a suitable vocabulary, they create a new
> >>         vocabulary
> >>         - they use their Solid Pod to host the new vocabulary
> >>         - they Link it in/from the Solid Catalog for discovery
> >>         - so other developers can search the Solid Catalog, discover
> >>         the vocabulary and re-use it in their app
> >>
> >>     Just a small note on the idea of dogfooding vocab publishing via
> >>     personal Pods. It’s a lovely ideal, but maybe a bit too heavy for
> >>     many devs.
> >
> >     It is lovely indeed.
> >     In particular, because every developer who wants to build a Solid
> >     app can go to solidcommunity.net <http://solidcommunity.net> and
> >     create a Pod there.
> >     Getting a (hosted) Pod is not a problem.
> >     If afraid of tying the vocabulary to a Pod Provider's domain, use
> >     w3id or purl to re-direct whereever the vocabulary is currently
> hosted.
> >
> >     For development, just using a test account on solidcommunity.net
> >     <http://solidcommunity.net> is much more convenient than hosting you
> >     own local Pod server instance.
> >      From my project experience (see presentation at Solid World [1]), a
> >     developer of a Solid app creates a test account for testing their
> >     app at some point anyway instead of going through the hassel of
> >     learning how to setup a local Pod.
> >
> >
> > I would caution against this approach to hosting vocabularies.
> >
> > - That site is not a CDN, it's a volunteer-run VPS. Heavy traffic can
> > hit its acceptable-use limits and add latency for many users.
> >
> > - Using it for lots of vocabs becomes DDoS vector, which can impact
> > regular users
>
> How often do vocabulary terms get dereferenced? Maybe somebody from
> w3.org can shed some light on how much of a burden it is to serve [A].
> At least, schema information is pretty static [0], so there is ample
> opportunity to use the caching functionalities of the Web.
>

Yes, but just remember that w3.org is professional hosted infrastructure.


>
> > - If it runsout of funding, then there are no “Cool URIs.”
>
> You can also host your vocabulary on GitHub or GitLab pages, domains
> with some commercial interest to stick around for a while (and you can
> even bring your own domain such that you can move elsewhere if they turn
> rogue). I read that meanwhile they supply the right Content-Type header
> for Turtle files [3].
>

Both good ideas, but again with trade-offs.  Every time your term is
dereferenced (e.g. to get a human readable label) you leak metadata to a
third party (microsoft), that you may not want to.

Again, not saying it's bad, just saying it's a trade-off.


>
> Back in the day when they did not have Content-Type text/turtle for .ttl
> files, the closest I got for standards conformance was RDFa in HTML [1].
> This requires devs to write a trivial YAML file and a tiny bit of HTML,
> and it looks more shiny to the eye non-initiated to the beauty of Turtle.
>

Yes indeed, I actually spent quite a bit of time with the github team
getting them to support the turtle mime time.  I am happy to say it was
successful.  IMHO another useful tool in the toolbox!


>
> So my +1 for dogfooding and self-hosting vocabularies, there are many
> ways to achieve it, even for the non-expert.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tobias
>
> [A] https://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns
> [0] Käfer et al: "Observing Linked Data Dynamics!" Proc. 10th ESWC, 2013
> https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-38288-8_15
> [1] https://kaefer3000.github.io/coinflip-servlet/vocab
> [2] https://github.com/kaefer3000/coinflip-servlet see _config.yml and
> vocab.html
> [3] https://github.com/mfhepp/test_mime_types
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