Re: Will RDF 1.2 be part of Solid 1.x?

ne 21. 5. 2023 v 20:48 odesílatel ben@bengo.co <ben@bengo.co> napsal:

> Which book do you refer to, Melvin? I wanna chick it out and read about
> “enquirer”. Thanks for making that connection.
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tl;dr Tim made a system called "enquire" (no r) before he made the web.  He
had been thinking about the same class of problems for a long time

Enquire was inspired to a degree to an old book from victorian times called
"Enquire within about everything".  It was a book on etiquette.

You ask a question.  It gives an answer.

Tim wanted to make a digital version of that.  You could think of it as a
chatGPT but 40 years ago.  For me the remarkable thing about it was, that
he thought it would work.  It gives an insight into the ambition of the
ideas that Tim had, even before the web.  Unfortunately at the time it
didnt have the training to give good answers.

Using large language models, and common crawl (again taken from the web),
chat models are now starting to get very good.

So we loop a whole circle round back to "Enquire", and us normies get to
see some of the ideas that Tim has had all the while.

IMHO gives a new perspective on solid, and its various potentials.


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> On May 21, 2023, at 12:06 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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> so 20. 5. 2023 v 19:43 odesílatel ben@bengo.co <ben@bengo.co> napsal:
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>> I’m *really* excited about RDF-star.
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>> It would be great to use it with solid, though for many it may be best to
>> wait till these are not just at FPWD stage, but have some rounds of
>> feedback and advance further to CR.
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> It seems that it will bring Solid a bit closer to full N3, with triples as
> predicates and objects
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> The usefulness of n3 rules and inferences has potential to save a lot of
> data transfer over the wire.
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> This comes at the cost of added complexity for humans, but possibly
> machines will take it in their stride.
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> It reminds me a bit of the original "enquire" system from Tim's book.
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> Some guess work required to see the bigger picture at this point.
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>> On May 20, 2023, at 6:22 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> I raised this question here on the WG Charter
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>> https://github.com/solid/solid-wg-charter/issues/36
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>> I think it's an important thing to know for implementations
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>> Any thoughts on this?
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>> See also:
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>> W3C Blog: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9906
>> HN Thread: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9906
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>> Blurb:
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>> RDF-star (formerly spelled RDF*) is an extension of RDF that was
>> initially proposed in 2014 by Olaf Hartig and Bryan Thompson, providing a
>> concise way to make statements about statements. It has become quite
>> popular, especially as a means to provide interoperability between RDF and
>> Property Graphs, and has already been implemented to various extents by a
>> number of vendors and open-source libraries. A subgroup of the RDF-DEV
>> Community Group then formed to gather feedback, use-cases, and explore the
>> possibility of integrating RDF-star into the existing RDF standards.
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