Fwd: [Moderator Action] new Social Architecture effort

Just in case people didn't see Ann's original comment!

We'll have you back soon Ann!

  yours,
       harry



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Subject:  [Moderator Action] new Social Architecture effort
Date:  Sun, 04 Oct 2015 16:42:15 +0000
From:  Ann Bassetti <ann.bassetti@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  Ann Bassetti <ann.bassetti@yahoo.com>
To:  Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, public-socialweb@w3.org
<public-socialweb@w3.org>, public-social-interest@w3.org
<public-social-interest@w3.org>



You're the bees knees, Melvin!  I really appreciate the new energy
you're bringing to this work.  And, Ed, we've missed you!
 
Before this goes very far, I wanted to voice my perception that what you
describe as "architectural best practices for modeling people" ... sound
very SoLiD-centric. I'm not saying I agree nor disagree.

It does seem to me that the foundations of "social" rest on the social
graph. I'm not sure if that is universally agreed-to, or not. If not,
then what do others suggest?

In any case, before we call something a "best practice", I'd like to be
sure we have some consensus from the various technical points-of-view. 

/(I hope the gods don't send lightning down because I'm inserting a
comment .... I'm only 1 day into my "dark" phase, but couldn't resist. :-)
/
 
  -- Ann

PS. I updated the subject line.
 
 
*From:*Melvin Carvalho [mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:15 PM
*To:* Krebs, Edward (E.C.)
*Cc:* Bassetti, Ann; Larry Hawes; Social Web Working Group;
public-social-interest@w3.org
*Subject:* Re: Boeing resignations (hopefully temporary for me)
 
 
 
On 1 October 2015 at 18:46, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com
<mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:

     
     
    On 1 October 2015 at 17:39, Melvin Carvalho
    <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:

         
         
        On 1 October 2015 at 15:02, Krebs, Edward (E..C.)
        <ekrebs@ford.com <mailto:ekrebs@ford.com>> wrote:

            There are some good architecture starting points. The social
            Headlights task Force started on this path. I suggested one
            view based on that initial work in the /Workshop on Social
            Standards/ in August 2013.
            http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/An%20Enterprise%20Social%20Network%20Reference%20Architecture.pdf

             
            IBM presented one in 2014:
            http://www.slideshare.net/heathwulf/social-architecture-1-h2014

         
        Thanks Edward, these are great slides.
        What really struck me was the call for a:
        - People Centric
        - Relationship Driven
        architecture.  I think the work we've started out on has a gap
        here.  While there's a lot of work done to cater for micro
        blogging enthusiasts the enterprise has been less well served,
        imho. 
        I think these presentations could be a great basis to create an
        architecture document, which is missing, not just in this group,
        but in the social web in general.  In creating a people centric,
        relationship driven architecture we can talk about people and
        relationships.  How this can be achieved technically, as part of
        a social graph.  The declarative nature using the law of least
        power.  Having open ended extensibility to cater for enterprise
        use cases as well as common social networking features.
        Essentially creating the awww [1] of the social web.  An
        essential document for anyone creating a system in the social
        web, either in an enterprise or public setting, that will cover
        all the base work needed to get started with real world use
        cases.  It's something that's been missing for 10 years, and
        imho, one reason that has lead to balkanization. 

        This is an IG deliverable.  Would anyone in the IG wish to help
        with this? 

        Where could we get started -- perhaps a wiki page, then migrate
        to a github repo?

     
    elf has suggested building on :

    http://w3c-social.github.io/social-arch/
    Which I think is a great idea.  I've chatted to Amy too, who
    hopefully may have some cycles free to collaborate.
    Input here or on in the github issues very welcome! :)

 
Im going to start working on this document, but my initial thoughts are:
"Data Model" is too broad a section, I'd like to see it broken down as
follows:
"People" -- this is a loose term that can mean nodes in general,
referring to people, agents, accounts, profiles, groups etc. but try to
capture that the social people is people oriented.
Have architectural best practices for modeling people:
1. Give a person a URL
2. Give that url a type (as exemplified by open graph protocol,
schema.org <http://schema.org/> and foaf)
3. Distinguish between the (HTTP) document and the person, as this could
cause processor problems
4. Allow people to have relationships
Then cover "Relationships" as a basis of relationship driven design
1. Show the nature of relationships as one way and two way
2. Show typical relationship styles such as, follow, friend, co-worker etc.
3. Show an open ended architecture for extensibility and reuse
Once these two core pieces are described, show how they are combined to
form a social graph.  Talk about the read, write and search
functionality etc.
I would suggest moving as much of the technical decisions as possible
out into another doc, and keeping the architecture document clean and
minimal yet, covering all the basics an implementor would need to get
started and to tackle the user stories.
 

     


        [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/
         

             
            Regards,
            Edward C. Krebs 
            Enterprise Architect
            Enterprise Technology Research
            Ford Motor Company Information Technology
            *Quote of the day:*
            "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."
            --/Alan Kay/