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Re: AS = Status+Updates?

From: ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 15:30:31 +0200
Message-ID: <554B68F7.4060906@wwelves.org>
To: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
CC: "public-socialweb@w3.org" <public-socialweb@w3.org>
On 05/07/2015 03:10 PM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
> Summary:  it might be good to re-organize AS2 to separate the CRUD
> operations from the "social" vocabulary
> 
> Thinking about Activity Streams in light of this last meeting, where I
> finally came to understand the role it plays in Activity Pump, I'm
> wondering if it would be good to change the design in a fundamental
> way.  I'm sorry I didn't understand this well enough to say it months ago.
> 
> Right now, as I understand it, an Activity describes a change in the
> state of the world.  I think it might be good to instead have a way to
> describe the state of the world and a separate way to talk about state
> changes.  We could frame it like this:
> 
>  * A "status" is a post which states something about the world at some
> point in time.
> 
>  * An "update" is a post which creates, modifies, or deletes a status.
> 
> In the common case where one is just creating a new status, there's
> minimal value in separating them.   But when you think about fixing a
> typo in a Note, and how you propagate that change, and who should be
> sent that change, and who is allowed to see that change, and how to
> efficiently distribute the change, and who has permission to make the
> change, ..., and what happens when a server is down and changes can't be
> sent right now, ... then I suspect things become a lot simpler when we
> separate them.
> 
> The "social API" then can consist of doing CRUD on status resources. 
> Those CRUD operations might be done by creating updates (something like
> update/delete in micropub) or more directly using http verbs as in LDP
> or a whole bunch of them might be streamed in a JSON-LD document (as I
> think ActivityPump envisions).   The federation protocol can largely
> consist of of sending around Updates.   The updates can also be kept
> around as a change log.
> 
> I'm interesting in spelling this all out in more detail if others think
> it's promising.
I tried illustrating such distinctions lately in image attached to this
gh issue: https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/issues/12

IRL activities vs. Online Activities
                   Social Online Activities vs. API CRUD+

> 
> I suspect the pushback will be that it's somewhat harder to implement
> very simple systems.   The payoff doesn't come until you want ACLs or
> federation or something else non-trivial.    Beyond that, are there are
> other problems with this style?
> 
> My apologies if I'm missing something obvious that makes this clearly a
> bad idea.
> 
>      -- Sandro
> 
> 
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