RE: Re: Update from Social WG call yesterday

Larry,

We agreed on today’s call that we need a small deck to present to the WG next Tuesday at 10am pacific.  Will you be able to take the lead on this and present, or should I do it?

Best Regards,
Mark

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From: Larry Hawes [mailto:larry@dowbrook.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:43 PM
To: Lloyd Fassett
Cc: public-social-interest@w3.org
Subject: Re: Re: Update from Social WG call yesterday

Lloyd et. al.,

Let me begin with an apology for my recent silence. I've was overseas at a conference last week and have been at a West Coast conference this week. Between travel (I live near Boston) and days and nights full of sessions and meetings, I simply haven't had time to deal with W3C matters. I'm sorry for that.

I'm glad that Lloyd picked up the ball and suggested a meeting time for next Monday. Unfortunately, I am traveling to yet another conference then and will not be able to participate. However, that should not keep those of you who can meet from doing so. Please continue the discussion on building at least one well-developed use case that we can hand to the WG at TPAC.

It would be helpful to understand what specific social actions related to profiles and their federation are to be included in Activity Streams 2.0.  If we had that information, we could develop a use case that would include many of them. Even better, we could also identify other actions that may be needed and incorporate those as well, so they can ultimately be considered in the syntax work of the WG.

What do people think of that approach? If it's judged to be sound, can anyone in the group, perhaps James Snell, provide a list of Actions included in AS2.0?

Best,

Larry

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---- On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:50:57 -0400 Lloyd Fassett <lloyd@azteria.com<mailto:lloyd@azteria.com>> wrote ----
Arnaud,

Thanks for the clarification on Tantek's point. I agree the point was about examples, not really about if Actions are needed at all.

Our IG meeting today was cancelled and the next one was suggested for next Wed, so after the next WG meeting.  We have 18 Use Cases to sift through here http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax/Profile_Scenarios<http://IG%20Task%20For%20Use%20Cases>

Would people be able to meet at 10am PST / 1 PM EST (etc.) on Monday to start making a run at the list?  TPAC is just the next week after that anyway.  If others can meet earlier the group should, though I can't be there.

Lloyd



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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Arnaud Le Hors <lehors@us.ibm.com<mailto:lehors@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for making sure the IG is aware.
The problem isn't so much that there isn't a clear use case for Actions as much as that none has been documented. Tantek argued that the WG shouldn't promote a spec without documented the use cases it addresses which I think is a fair criticism. So, it would be very helpful if the IG could document some. It may be that there already some out there somewhere we can just point to.

Regards.
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Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Standards - IBM Software Group


Lloyd Fassett <lloyd@azteria.com<mailto:lloyd@azteria.com>> wrote on 10/15/2014 11:09:43 AM:

> From: Lloyd Fassett <lloyd@azteria.com<mailto:lloyd@azteria.com>>
> To: "public-social-interest@w3.org<mailto:public-social-interest@w3.org>" <public-social-interest@w3.org<mailto:public-social-interest@w3.org>>
> Date: 10/15/2014 11:10 AM
> Subject: Update from Social WG call yesterday
>
> All,
>
> I attended the WG call yesterday and they are really interested in
> the Use Case(s).  I told them that we didn't expect to have the work
> till close to TPAC. A particular issue is coming up now about
> Actions in the AS2.0 spec where there isn't a clear use case on why
> we need them or not.
>
> Personally, I think the actions are central to what 'social' means
> by any definition.  As we work through the scenarios though, that's
> one item in particular that is of interest to the WG.
>
> Lloyd Fassett
> Azteria Inc.
> Bend, OR
> (541) 848-2440 (PST)