- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:35:17 +0200
- To: public-social-interest@w3.org, public-socialweb@w3.org, "internal-socbizcg@w3.org" <internal-socbizcg@w3.org>, "public-fedsocweb@w3.org" <public-fedsocweb@w3.org>
* Next meeting Tuesday 5th (but will try to find a time more suitable,
see Doodle sent by Mark Crawford for Social IG, Social Web Doodle
forthcoming)
* Please register to join the WG and IG!
* Reviews of social data formats needed, with AS 2.0 as a baseline.
Editor has no problem sending that spec straight to W3C from IETF if needed.
* 2 day meeting approved at TPAC 26-27th
Meeting minutes (draft) here:
http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-social-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SV_MEETING_TITLE
29 Jul 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-social-irc
Attendees
Present
tantek, +1.559.707.aaaa, +1.559.707.aabb, Doug_Schepers,
+1.314.777.aacc, +1.514.525.aadd, hhalpin,
+1.541.848.aaee, +1.415.514.aaff, +1.978.238.aagg,
Arnaud, my_name, Sandro, +1.646.632.aahh,
+1.703.670.aaii, +1.425.736.aajj, jasnell,
+1.512.257.aakk, bret, dret, Lloyd_Fassett, ericmeeks,
MarkC
Regrets
Chair
Tantek, Arnaud
Scribe
hhalpin
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Questions about charter of IG and WG
2. [5]Getting to work
* [6]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<KevinMarks> Could this password thing be any worse?
<tantek_> Enroute to a telcon-safe location
<tantek_> Thank you Harry
<tantek_> " Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges"
<tantek_> Harry please make the realtime logs realtime public.
<tantek_> Zakim mute tantek
<tantek_> Zakim tantek_ is tantek
<tantek_> Zakim tantek_ is in tantek
<tantek_> Tantek will be muted for ~10 min
tantek_: per our discussion,
[7]https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Sched
[7] https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Sched
Zakim: +1.514.525.aadd is me
<cwebber> okay I'm in
<tantek_> evanp: Nice start on sched! Agree with topics but
don't believe any of the dates. ;)
<tantek_> I'll be quiet for 10-15 min while Harry sorts out
telcon etc issues
<rhiaro> I'm here (Amy from U of Edinburgh) but I can't dial
in, I think my 3g is too poor
<bret> harry how do i associate with a sip account?
Zakim: aadd is evanp
<lehawes> I got in to the call fine, from 617 area code, via
Google Voice
<cwebber> +Chris
<cwebber> or ChrisWebber?
<cwebber> anyway
Oh, that's great!
Zakim: aadd is evanp
<botie> i already had it that way, evanp.
<cwebber> some sort of large buzzing noise
<jasnell> Zakim +1.559.707.aabb
<Arnaud> a bit??
<claudio_venezia> is there a toll free#social or european
number?
<Arnaud> there is like a fan or motor in the background
<Arnaud> very annoying
<Arnaud> thanks :)
That did it!
<oshepherd> claudio_venezia: SIP
<claudio_venezia> which SIP client?
<botie> i already had it that way, bret.
<Lloyd_Fassett> 1.541.848.2440
I'm Evan Prodromou, [8]http://evan.prodromou.name/ and
[9]https://e14n.com/evan
[8] http://evan.prodromou.name/
[9] https://e14n.com/evan
<jasnell> Jasnell... IBM. Author/editor Activity streams 2.0
<harry> Harry Halpin, W3C staff contact for Social Web WG
Co-chair, developer of several Open Source social software
packages
<cwebber> this is Christopher Allan Webber, I'm at
[10]http://dustycloud.org/ and lead developer of
[11]http://mediagoblin.org/; we're currently implementing Pump
API support for MediaGoblin so are actively working on
federation support
[10] http://dustycloud.org/
[11] http://mediagoblin.org/;
<cwebber> or, Tsyesika is :)
<Tsyesika> Jessica Tallon, developer on mediagoblin leading up
federation support :)
<Arnaud> Arnaud Le Hors, Senior Technical Staff Member, Open
Web Standards - IBM Software Group
<jonpincus> jon pincus, just listening :)
<oshepherd> Owen Shepherd. [12]http://owenshepherd.net; Develop
Impeller, Hubub, both ActivityStreams/Pump.io
clients/processors
[12] http://owenshepherd.net;/
<Arnaud> also chair of the LDP WG
<sandro> Hi everyone, I'm Sandro Hawke. I've been W3C staff for
many years, doing many WGs, but for this group I'm not the
staff contact -- I'm here on behalf a decentralized social
project called Crosscloud.
<AdamB> Adam Boyet, Boeing, interested in federation and social
with regard to the enterprise
<MarkC> Mark Crawford, Application Standards Strategy, SAP
<shepazu> Doug Schepers, W3C, involved in SVG, WebApps,
touch/pointer events, Web Audio API, and the proposed Web
Annotations WG
harry: not everyone has the agenda
<Deborah> This is Deborah Estrin and other members of small
data lab @ Cornell Tech
[13]https://www.w3.org/wiki/July_29th draft agenda here
[13] https://www.w3.org/wiki/July_29th
<Lloyd_Fassett> I am the founder of Azteria. We are an 'open'
staffing platform. I'm interested in open social standards
where candidates and employers can connect with each other for
short or long term relationships.
<lehawes> Hey! lehawes = Larry Hawes :>) I contributed to the
CSCC social business white paper and continue be involved with
social standardization efforts going on at w3c
<harry> The draft agenda is here, although we'll make it more
interactive: [14]https://www.w3.org/wiki/July_29th
[14] https://www.w3.org/wiki/July_29th
Questions about charter of IG and WG
<lehawes> I'm a advisor to software companies and an industry
analyst as my day job
<tantek> Harry see irc above
<harry>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-wg-charter.html
[15] http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-wg-charter.html
<ericmeeks> This is Eric Meeks at UCSF:
[16]http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks We have been
integrating OpenSocial into biomedical research and academic
profiling. In particular, working on integrating Linked Open
Data with OpenSocial
[16] http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks
<harry>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-ig-charter.html
[17] http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-ig-charter.html
<harry> scribe: hhalpin
<harry> evanp: the WG is tightly focussed, with 3 clear
deliverables, so we should be successful
<harry> markC: Note that we in the IG is also doing the overall
architecture, as well as semantic vocabularies, and acting as a
liasion in that capacity.
<oshepherd> OpenSocial Embedded Experiences is listed as an
input to the WG. How much of what that covers is considered in
scope - is the embedded "gadgets" stuff in scope?
<shepazu> speaking of groups that will be using the
deliverables of the Social Web WG, here a brief intro on the
Web Annotations WG, which will be reusing some of the Social
Web WG's APIs. Web Annotations WG page:
[18]http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/ and workshop report:
[19]http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/report.html
[18] http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/
[19] http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/report.html
evanp: now the scribe
<sandro> consensus in one sentence: We're all on the same side,
trying to figure out the best standard we can, in the given
time frame.
<jasnell> oshepherd: that still needs to be defined.
<bret> new (2nd time)
<cwebber> new (ish)
<Deborah> new
<ericmeeks> new (enough)
<Tsyesika> new
<jonpincus> new
<scribe> new (always feel new)
<falquaddoomi> new as well (i'm a member of Deborah's research
group)
<sandro> dinosaur :-)
<oshepherd> new (gah, call dropped =()
evanp: quite a few new people
harry: fill out invited expert form soon
... form not required just for bureacracy's sake
<Lloyd_Fassett> Is there a way to know if we've previously
filled that out and been approved? Is it in our W3C profile?
harry: to support a royalty-free environment
[20]http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html for invited expert
process
[20] http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html
<Arnaud> + w3c depends on membership dues for funding
<Lloyd_Fassett> +Q
+q
<cwebber> I guess I should see if I should go through that or
if I should be going as a GNU member
<harry> [21]http://www.w3.org/Help/Account/
[21] http://www.w3.org/Help/Account/
<MarkC> could not understand Lloyd
<Lloyd_Fassett> Is there a way to know if we've previously
filled that out and been approved? Is it in our W3C profile?
harry: if you've already filled out the application, it should
be in your w3c profile
... if you've been an invited expert for a previous group, you
have to fill it out again
<Lloyd_Fassett> thank you
harry: you can always try again
<harry> [22]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
[22] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
<falquaddoomi> just fyi, deborah and the rest of our group
unfortunately have to part
<MarkC> If you are a W3C member, then your AC will need to
approve your participation
<Zakim> sandro, you wanted to clarify the IE process
<tantek> Perhaps even post the link to your own site ;)
evanp: is there anything special we need to do to invite
experts?
harry: sending the URL is sufficient
... the chairs do review the applications to make sure they're
going to contribute
<sandro> sandro: just to clarify that there is an evaluation
that happens with invited expert applications
<MarkC> for new members: [23]http://www.w3.org/participate/faq
[23] http://www.w3.org/participate/faq
<AdamB> +1
<Lloyd_Fassett> +1
<ericmeeks> +1
<oshepherd> +1 great for Europe :-)
<lehawes> +1
harry: type in +1 for if you like this time
<Tsyesika> +1
<jonpincus> +1
+1
<cwebber> +1
<jasnell> +1
<bret> +1
<MarkC> Social IG will do a separate doodle poll for its
meetings
<sandro> -1 ON PROCESS. I love this meeting time, but you can't
ask people AT THIS TIME if this is a good time
<oshepherd> (Or at least great for UK; after work, etc)
<harry> We have also asked over email.
harry: we will take into account responses by email also
<MarkC> Depending on coverage, we may need to do alternate
early late calls to spread the pain
<mattl> +1
<harry> [24]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
[24] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
[25]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
[25] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
harry: our first face-to-face meeting will be at TPAC
... it coincides with the 20th anniversary of w3c
<botie> i already had it that way, dret.
<tantek> +1 on telcon time
harry: the W3C has reserved two days for the meeting
... we should set up a developer meetup
<lehawes> Will TPAC include WG, IG or both for meetings?
Arnaud: thanks
<bret> I gotta run unfortunately
<lehawes> Specifically asking about Social WG and IG meetings
at TPAC
<tantek> If there's interest we can also organize an indieweb
hack session then jointly with socialwg
jasnell: will double-check with OpenSocial about developer
meetup
harry: do we need a 1-day meeting or 2-day meeting?
+2
<harry> +2
<lehawes> +q
We have a lot to cover
<Arnaud> +2
<MarkC> +2
<claudio_venezia> +2
<jasnell> +2
<tantek> +2 for day 1 discussions, day 2 hack day
<sandro> +2
<Lloyd_Fassett> +2
<AdamB> +2
Getting to work
MarkC: first order of business is organization
... use cases are a high priority
... but other priorities will come
+q
<harry> evanp: note that we have 3 deliverables in the charter
so we owe it our future selves so we should liason and review
the rest of the social data structures
<harry> ... first week or two to look at other syntaxes
<tantek> I for one don't take AS as an assumption. However I'm
in favor of empowering productive efforts to move forward
rapidly.
<harry> ... so if we land on AS 2.0, we have a defensible
position
harry: we will look at the specs called out in the working
group charter
<harry> at least at the beginning :)
<cwebber> if we're looking into activitystreams 2.0, I'm also
interested in whether or not json-ld is used; there's a brief
mention of it on the charter page
sandro: will we be generating requirements documents?
<cwebber> btw, potentially interesting to this, Manu Sporny
pointed to
[26]http://manu.sporny.org/2014/identity-credentials/ which
could tie in
http://manu.sporny.org/2014/identity-credentials/
+q
<Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask about the UCR for that
evaluation
<lehawes> How will work between Social IG and WG be
coordinated? Very important if IG is writing use
cases/requirements and WG is creating specs.
<harry> evanp: will likely come up with JSON based structure
<jasnell> +q
<harry> ... love to put this swikipage together
<harry> ... before our next call
shepazu: web audio working group created use cases, developed
requirements from them, and then built them into the
specification
<Arnaud> where does the wiki page come from?
[27]http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Use_cases
[27] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Use_cases
<tantek> Zakim who is here?
use Activity Streams as a baseline, and compare against it
jasnell: Regarding where it publishes, AS 2.0 has been on IETF,
simple process
... did not come through a working group process
<MarkC> +1
jasnell: should just be a w3c document only
+q
<tantek> Whoa thanks botie
<Arnaud> +q
harry: I talked to the application area director, not going to
start anything around Activity Streams
<harry> evanp: would it save us time to have us just keep RFC
harry: will work with AS community to make sure patent issues
are handled
<harry> hhalpin: We've discussed with IETF AD, they don't plan
to start an AS WG
Arnaud: IETF are under RAND license, different process
... W3C process much more rigourous
<harry> thinking test-suites
jasnell: comment on AS 1.0
<tantek> IETF lacks good history of open/free test suites as
compared to w3c
jasnell: AS 1.0 authors provided OWF agreements
<tantek> Eg iCal is all pay for play in closed test meetings.
<tantek> jasnell: Did google ever provide OWF FSA?
<tantek> Not afaik
<jasnell> I believe so. Yes. I will double check
<botie> i already had it that way, sandro.
harry: let's discuss what we want to get out of this interest
group
<harry> I think Google *did* sign the OWA
<tantek_> harry not AFAIK
harry: trying to match voices to names
<tantek_> anyway - it's a simple matter of providing the URL to
the signed OWA FSA if it exists
<tantek_> otherwise we must assume it does not exist
<botie> i already had it that way, tantek_.
<tantek_> botie :)
<botie> tantek_: i'm not following you...
jasnell: getting to common set of social data standards, many
people using it, pull the threads back together
<harry> we should look for OWA, sounds like an ACTION item for
jasnell :)
<cwebber> not really totally sure how to register myself with
the bot
<cwebber> esp if I called in via SIP
<shepazu>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/diagrams/annotation-archi
tecture.svg
[28]
http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/diagrams/annotation-architecture.svg
<tantek_> cwebber, you can ask the bot for help just by saying:
botname, help
Doug_Schepers: work for W3C
<cwebber> aha thanks tantek_
Doug_Schepers: interested in achieving a decentralized
architecture with lots of stake holders that gives users
control
<jasnell> [29]https://github.com/activitystreams/json-activity
[29] https://github.com/activitystreams/json-activity
Doug_Schepers: works on Annotations API. Review the diagram to
see how it works
<jasnell> Look under agreements folder for owfa docs
<Zakim> tantek_, you wanted to also add that he's interested in
distributed annotations, with a different approach.
Doug_Schepers: wants to apply socialwg output for Web
annotations
tantek_: you're on!
<botie> i already had it that way, sandro.
<tantek_> Fragmentions -
[30]http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmentions
[30] http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmentions
tantek_: adds to Doug's work on annotations, IndieWebCamp
Fragmentions
<shepazu> (I don't think they are different, I think they're
complementary)
<tantek_> Marginalias -
[31]https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
[31] https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
<cwebber> +q
<sandro> tantek_, best to just type it.
tantek_: IndieWeb community has been working on annotations,
with WebMentions and Marginalia
<tantek_> The IndieWeb community has also been working on
distributed annotations on the web
<tantek_> with a couple of building blocks
<tantek_> fragmentions - URLs with ## to link to a text on a
page
<tantek_> [32]http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmentions
[32] http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmentions
<tantek_> and marginalia
<tantek_> comments in the margins of articles on the web
cwebber: Tsyesika working on pump.io-based API for federation.
<tantek_> discussed and demonstrated:
[33]https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
[33] https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
<harry> evanp: Pump.io is a piece of software that does
ActivityStreams social server
<harry> ... API similar to things proposed, and I've said we'll
make to transition to what we decide in the WG
<cwebber> great :)
<jasnell> And fwiw... There are no known IPR claims on AS 2.
Document history is available in IETF doc tracker and git hub,
with feedback documented on Activity streams mailing list
archive.
<harry> 978?
<cwebber> 978 US?
<harry> yes
<harry> hey lloyd!
<cwebber> no I'm on SIP, I was wondering if it was Tsyesika,
but I remember she's also on SIP :)
evanp: 514 is me
<lehawes> i am in 978, but using Google Voice, so may have a
different area code
<Tsyesika> I have no idea where I'm dialing in from, i just
called in on SIP
<ericmeeks> Hey, we are all about Linked Data and SOcial
Standards
Lloyd_Fassett: have worked on linked data and social standards
<ericmeeks> who is this talking
<ericmeeks> ?
ericmeeks: it is Lloyd_Fassett
<ericmeeks> thanks!
NP
<Tsyesika> +q
ericmeeks: we have been installing profiling systems in
academia, have adopted linked open data and glued it to social
standards
... academics on different systems at different universities
are linked
... trying to get them to interact more actively
cool!
<lehawes> How can I see what my <old identifier> is so I can
assign my nickname to it?
ericmeeks: please contact if interested in linked open data and
social software
Arnaud: work at IBM, longtime at W3C
... was asked to provide help in this group
... IBM interest is enterprise-oriented
... some argue that social web exists, but not an open social
web
... trying to integrate social software, can't be done without
standards
<tantek> evanp - there is an open social web, but it's quite
small, or relegated to islands of monocultures.
sandro: work for w3c, not a contact for this group
... working on the crosscloud project
... like webmention
<tantek> … where everyone runs the same software but on
different servers
sandro: hope to use other parts
... thanks
<KevinMarks> does w3c allow + in email? It still hates my old
account
MarkC: working to integrate solutions between vendors
... seeing this activity move to W3C and alignment with
OpenSocial
<sandro> KevinMarks, yes + in email should be fine
MarkC: see what other opportunities exist
<Tsyesika> i might be muted?
<Tsyesika> no idea i called in via sip. I think my call just
dropped though >.<
<tantek> "The conference is restricted at this time"
<oshepherd> Tsyesika: SIP seems slightly unreliable. Need to
watch out for the -??P<num> on IRC
<jasnell> Would it be possible to ask for people to document in
the wiki which existing formats they're using currently. Are
they using OpenSocial currently? If so, what parts? Etc
<Arnaud> argh.. this is because we are past the end of our time
slot
<tantek> harry, could you extend future telcon reservations
with Zakim to be 5 min past end of slot?
<Arnaud> the call isn't ended but you can't join, or join back,
anymore
evanp: homework, please get on public mailing list, get on
working group through inv exp or organization, outreach to
other people who should be involved
<tantek> homework: stay on IRC :)
<tantek> blog about inviting those who work on social web
interfaces (both user and tech) to
[34]http://www.w3.org/wiki/socialwg
[34] http://www.w3.org/wiki/socialwg
harry: will ask on mailing list for issues around times, and
get started
[35]https://www.w3.org/wiki/To_invite is a list for starting to
think of people and organizations to invite
[35] https://www.w3.org/wiki/To_invite
<lehawes> exit
harry: we'll see you all next week
Good meeting!
<harry> evanp: want to get folks ready for next week 1) Start
reviewing existing social work, esp. data transfer 2) Join
WG/IG and 3) invite other people!
<tantek> only ended the meeting ~3 minutes late. not too bad.
harry: thanks for doing it
maybe tantek, evanp and Arnaud can rotate in the future?
<tantek> thanks harry for chairing the telcon. thanks evanp for
minuting!
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