Social Biz CG milestones (was: RE: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social Business Community Group])

Reacting to the phrase below, " ... including support for the proposed workshop...", and for the benefit of those who were not on the call yesterday, I voiced, and continue to have, strong skepticism about the goals and value of a workshop.

My reasons:

·         The W3C already sponsored 1 workshop and multiple Incubator / Community groups.  A white paper was written, as well as other less formal documents.

·         I perceive the primary public social tool vendors (e.g., Facebook, Twitter) have little interest to standardize the underlying social technologies (e.g., how to exchange profile info) – because the value of their companies is based on keeping that information locked up.

·         A separate set of independent geeks – mostly in Silicon Valley and Portland, Oregon areas – are working on creating independent tools.  Those folks apparently want to hack away more-or-less independently.

·         Work on security mechanisms, privacy, identity, etc is already underway in other working groups.

I hear several voices on this team enthusiastically promoting a workshop.  Sorry to be a wet blanket and a naysayer, but I am not all clear what the focus nor value would be in holding another workshop.  I do not agree " support for the proposed workshop " is a foregone conclusion.

Although IBM and perhaps others are apparently willing to provide some financial support (Yay for those companies!) – my concern is what the W3C would invest (via time and people), what would the W3C get out, and what happens to W3C reputation for going around in circles on this topic.

"Social" is a huge topic these days.  I, too, am intensely interested in the subject.  Yet I do not support moving forward with a workshop at this point, for concerns given above.  To change my mind I would need to see A) clear objectives; B) convincing evidence that key players would participate.

  -- Ann


From: Donald Buddenbaum [mailto:buddenba@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:40 AM
To: Crawford, Mark; Alberto Manuel
Cc: 'public-socbizcg@w3.org'
Subject: Re: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social Business Community Group]


Mark/Alberto, I agree that was the consensus from the last CG call.   Do either of you want to take the pen and draft some 2013 CG milestones, including support for the proposed workshop, that we can iterate in prep for discussion next weeks CG?

Version 3 of the infographic - http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/wiki/File:Slide2.jpg


Regards,

Don Buddenbaum, STSM, FLMI, Chair W3C SBCG
Emerging Social Business Software Standards
IBM Software Group, Strategy
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[cid:image001.gif@01CDC248.643B8AB0]"Crawford, Mark" ---11/14/2012 06:36:34 AM---I would agree with Alberto, and would also suggest that if we are going forward with the workshop, t

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Date: 11/14/2012 06:36 AM
Subject: Re: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social   Business Community Group]

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I would agree with Alberto, and would also suggest that if we are going forward with the workshop, then the milestones should take that into consideration.

Kind Regards,
Mark

Mark Crawford
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From: Alberto Manuel [mailto:bpm.tst@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 04:35 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: Donald Buddenbaum <buddenba@us.ibm.com<mailto:buddenba@us.ibm.com>>
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Subject: Re: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social Business Community Group]

Hi Don:

Regarding our last meeting isn't best to setup what are the milestones the group want to achieve before jumping to create content?

Best

Alberto.

2012/11/13 Donald Buddenbaum <buddenba@us.ibm.com<mailto:buddenba@us.ibm.com>>
Hi Alberto, thanks for contributing.  The objective was to widen the audience for the content in the original CTO guide.   At this point my objective was to as much as possible, simply create stand alone more consumable documents that mirrored the primary sections and content of the original, as an introduction, technologies to consider, and steps to take to realize Social Business.

I'm more than happy for us to expand on these documents if we choose to do so.

Regards,

Don Buddenbaum, STSM, FLMI, Chair W3C SBCG
Emerging Social Business Software Standards
IBM Software Group, Strategy
919.543.0346<tel:919.543.0346> t/l 441.0346 buddenba@us.ibm.com<mailto:buddenba@us.ibm.com>
SBCG: http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/


[cid:image001.gif@01CDC248.643B8AB0]Alberto Manuel ---11/13/2012 08:20:32 AM---Hi Lads: Some points for today's call regarding this document.

From: Alberto Manuel <bpm.tst@gmail.com<mailto:bpm.tst@gmail.com>>
To: Donald Buddenbaum/Durham/IBM@IBMUS, public-socbizcg@w3.org<mailto:public-socbizcg@w3.org>,
Date: 11/13/2012 08:20 AM
Subject: Re: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social  Business Community Group]
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Hi Lads:

Some points for today's call regarding this document.

What is the objective of the document?

    *   List all technologies that must be considered when implementing a social business?
    *   The above option, plus setup a framework how to implementing it regarding the myriad of possibilities of social interaction? If this is the option. I agree with such kind of document.
    *   Other.
Regarding the content. After skimmed across it:

    *   There are no social enterprise processes types. Coining processes types proved in the past to create confusion in people's minds (supporting processes, core processes, management processes... ) . Does or does not in every process type exist social interaction ( unless is 100 % robot driven). Hence, it should be reconfigured to something like “processes where social interaction plays a key role".
    *   Regarding the tech trends, beyond that bringing your own device, is bringing your own software, as interoperability is seeing the light of the day on tiny steps. Also, Internet of things, semantics, sentiment analysts is starting to be part of the mix. Think everything related with cybernetics.
If the idea of the document is making the bridge about social technologies and it's usage in specific business challenges I would like to contribute.

Talk with you later today.

Best

Alberto.

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Enviado: 12 de Novembro de 2012 18:26
Assunto: for review - An Intro to Social Business Guide [via W3C Social Business Community Group]

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