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<scribe> scribenick: Julia
<scribe> scribe: Julia McCarthy
<MSM-EDI> johnarwe, sorry, my machine is here and my body is here and the network is here, but my brain is apparently hovering over iceland
<MSM-EDI> so my regrets for today's cal
<johnarwe> agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/0044.html
<johnarwe> 6/12 minutes
RESOLUTION: minutes from 6/12/2008 approved as a true record of the meeting
John: We have "dibs" on the beginning of the week of Oct 27, should we be asked to move by the CG
Pratul: no update
John: MSM said last week he expects to post something on his action items before the f2f
John: Is there any objection to text in comment #4 with the exception of that noted in comment #6
no objections
John: any objections to the amendment noted in comment #6
RESOLUTION: replace the words "For example" with the words "That is". Remove needsReview keyword. Editors can close after making update.
RESOLUTION: Close as duplicate of 5720 as proposed by originator of 5710. Remove keywords.
RESOLUTION: Add "global" as proposed. Mark editorial.
John: objections to the changes Kumar suggests for comments #2 and #3?
No objections - after discussion
John: any objections to the changes proposed in comments #4
Kumar and Ginny: "are used" would make this clearer
<ginny> based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and which *are* used in the model they process
<ginny> based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and *which are* used in the model they process
RESOLUTION: Make the changes suggested in #2 and #3. Make the change described in comment #4. Instead of the change suggested in #5 make the change typed by ginny above in the irc window. Mark editorial.
<johnarwe> f these references are allowed to be relative references, i.e. they are not already target-complete, then some implementation-dependent base URI or IRI is used to resolve them to URIs or IRIs. (See section 5 of [IETF RFC 3986] and section 6.5 of [IETF RFC 3987].)
John: According to bug 5545 we should not name the RFC (as shown in change 2)
Kumar: agrees with changes except for reference to RFC.
John: Let editors remove reference to RFC 3986
Kumar: points out that 2a is not defined in the RFC. After some discussion he agrees it is there in a sense.
RESOLUTION: Fix as described in comment except remove reference to RFC 3986. Mark editorial, remove hasProposal.
RESOLUTION: Make changes as described. Mark editorial.
John: proposal (paraphrasing what he thinks Ginny said) - make 7.1 non-normative, since it adds nothing new in a normative sense..."just" best practice tips.
ginny: proposal - remove section 7.1
Kumar: modify message in second example so the message can actually be used outside of schematron assert. Work on this in email.
Ginny: questions the use of deref(.) in the variable
John: Let's use email to flush out changes that Kumar and Ginny want.
<scribe> ACTION: Kumar initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
RESOLUTION: Mark as Fixed, Resolved.
Clear out keywords.
John: any comments, questions, objections to changes in comment #6
none noted
John: any objections to proposed changes in comment #8
none noted
RESOLUTION: Mark editorial. Fix per comment #8. Remove needsReview.
<scribe> ACTION: Virginia make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-197 - Make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F. [on Virginia Smith - due 2008-06-26].
<johnarwe> 5638
<johnarwe> 6.3.2 bullet 2
<johnarwe> editor's draft: If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has Schematron constraints defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the Schematron constraints defined on D.
<johnarwe> proposal (replace Schematron constraints w {rules} 2x): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the {rules} defined on D.
<johnarwe> proposal (prev + Sandy's notion of superset): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then D's {rules} are a superset of B's {rules}.
RESOLUTION: Fix per first proposal noted by John in irc at [15:16]. Change needsAgreement to editorial.
Ginny: OK with proposal 1 in comment #2. Prefers to leave out first 3 bullets from proposal 2 in comment #2. bullets 4 & 5 are ok.
RESOLUTION: Fix per proposal 1 in comment #2 and per bullets 4 & 5 of proposal 2 of comment #2 (leaving out bullets 1-3). Mark editorial. No need to review.
Kumar: would like more time to look at this
<pratul> I need to step out - will be back in 5 mins
<Kirk> Unfortunately, someone is trying to call me from England. I have to get off. See in Edinburgh on Monday.
<pratul> I am back
<scribe> ACTION: Kumar create a proposal for 5740. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-198 - Create a proposal for 5740 for Tuesday next week. [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
Defer until Kirk is here. Discuss Tuesday next week.
<johnarwe> (Ginny was also not ready for 5653 today)
<Kirk> RE: 5653. Thanks. I do want to give John a grammar lesson RE point 6.
John: Can anyone articulate a concrete problem around the phrase "SML constraint"?
none noted
<Sandy> +1 to worksforme
RESOLUTION: Close bug as "no fix required". Mark resolved as worksforme.
Last Scribe Date Member Name Regrets pending 2008-05-15 Smith, Virginia 2008-05-22 Lynn, James 2008-05-29 Wilson, Kirk 2008-06-05 Gao, Sandy 2008-06-12 Kumar, Pandit 2008-06-19 McCarthy, Julia Exempt Arwe, John Exempt Dublish, Pratul Exempt MSM Exempt PH