See also: IRC log
<pratul> Has the telecon passcode changed?
<pratul> I am getting "passcode not valid" message
<scribe> scribenick: Sandy
<scribe> scribe: Sandy Gao
<Jim> Yes - it is on the member web page
<Phillipe> I forgot to update the member web page to match the recurring teleconference pass code. Done now.
RESOLUTION: approved.
<johnarwe> No new feedback/issues for item 4.
no new issues brought forward
Pratul went through the proposed schedule outlined in the agenda.
John: is there CG process we need to go through if we change publication schedule?
MSM: nothing formal.
<scribe> ACTION: John to inform the XML CG about this schedule change. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-88 - Inform the XML CG about this schedule change. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-28].
RESOLUTION: the WG agrees to this plan.
John: suggest that in the future "editor" actions are more explicitly marked, to distinguish them from other actions.
<MSM> [Specifically, by using the word "editors" as first word of the description
Sandy: do we minute closed actions, or do we trust the assignees to close them?
John: for some (open bugzilla)
actions, it's ok to leave it to individuals. we may want to
review resolutions for other actions.
... and how to review resolutions of editors' actions?
MSM: some wgs (including schema) has a "status" section that describes changes made in a particular draft.
Sandy: for example http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.consent.20070309.html
<Valentina> another example http://www.eclipse.org/tptp/home/downloads/drops/cvsActivity/TPTP-4.4.0-200706210100.html
Ginny: there's a difference between listing action/bug numbers and giving descriptions of changes.
<johnarwe> eclipse looks ok, depends on cvs commit comments but people like do that already
<scribe> ACTION: valentina to [EDITORS] propose how they want to provide summary of changes for spec drafts. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-89 - [EDITORS] propose how they want to provide summary of changes for spec drafts. [on Valentina Popescu - due 2007-06-28].
MSM: handled all "open bugzilla" actions. was wondering whether he should close them, or wait for the WG to review.
Pratul: just close them.
<MSM> Action 32 appears in IRC log at http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-irc
Sandy: handled 7 of 8 actions. wasn't sure what action 32 was about.
Bassam: action 32 is about what happens when an element has a type that's *not* derived from reftype, but has target* attributes.
Kirk: Sandy was also saying that, for a type that allows attribute wildcard, it's possible in the instance to have sml:ref="true".
<MSM> {Repeating the example because the one in the IRC log is hard to follow:
<MSM> <complexType name="foo">
<MSM> <sequence>
<MSM> <element name="ref-x" type="my:zip" sml:targetType="x" />
<MSM> <element name="ref-y" type="sml:refType" sml:targetType="y" />
<MSM> </sequence>
<MSM> </complexType>
<MSM> ]
Pratul: BEA left the SML WG?
MSM: I wonder whether DavidO only meant to remove himself or BEA.
Zulah will check with DavidO to confirm.
Pratul: given that Vijay will be away, I'll take his action 56.
Assume all typos will be fixed in the FPWD.
RESOLUTION: WG agrees that all typos will be fixed in the FPWD.
MSM: we can pick an editor as the default assignee for SML and one for IF. but the assignee doesn't always reflect who's responsible, so another option is to just ignore this field.
Valentina: seems we can't change assignees for opened bugs.
MSM: we can configure Bugzilla so that editors/chairs/members can edit opened bugs.
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to update bugzilla configuration to upgrade people's privileges. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-90 - Update bugzilla configuration to upgrade people\'s privileges. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-28].
Bug 4616 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4616
RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4616 should be fixed in FPWD.
Bug 4617 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4617
Sandy: in addition to make it optional, need to add constraint to make sure "need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes".
<scribe> ACTION: Pratul to make sure fix to bug 4617 requires "need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-91 - Make sure fix to bug 4617 requires \"need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes\". [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-28].
RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4617 should be fixed in FPWD.
4618 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4618
<scribe> ACTION: pratul to open a bug to point out the constraint from schematron that you can't establish context across documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-92 - Open a bug to point out the constraint from schematron that you can\'t establish context across documents. [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-28].
RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4618 and the new bug Pratul is going to open will *not* be fixed in FPWD.
RESOLUTION: attempt to fix 4627 in FPWD.
Bug 4628 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4628
RESOLUTION: not to attempt to fix 4628, 4629 and 4630 in FPWD.
Bug 4632 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4632
<plh> ACTION: Philippe to investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-93 - Investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .) [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06-28].
RESOLUTION: not to attempt to fix 4632 in FPWD.
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to start email discussion around issue 4636 by 2007-07-10. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-94 - Start email discussion around issue 4636 by 2007-07-10. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-28].
RESOLUTION: not to attempt to fix 4636 in FPWD.
Valentina: I can work on a proposal for 4637 next week. failing that, it'll be end of july.
RESOLUTION: may want to include 4637 in FPWD, depending on what proposal Valentina suggests.
RESOLUTION: not to attempt to fix 4638 in FPWD.
RESOLUTION: not to attempt to fix 4639 in FPWD.
<johnarwe> resume next week at bug 4640
RESOLUTION: wg agrees to fix 4640 to align with how schema uses these terms (definition and declaration)
RESOLUTION: fix 4640 in FPWD.
<MSM> It's visible and fairly easy, so yes, fpwd is a good target
resume next week after bug 4640
<scribe> ACTION: Virginia to start email discussion around issue 4639. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-95 - Start email discussion around issue 4639. [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-06-28].
Agreed as outlined in the agenda.
Sandy: prefers to start as early as possible.
MSM: has a slight preference for Monday too.
Agreed to the start/end time outlined in the agenda.
Pratul: people who can't make it, please send regrets.
Valentina: regrets for July 05.
Sandy: possible regrets for July 5.
Paul: possible regrets.
All others who are on the phone are OK with having a telecon July 05.
<Paul_L> Just to clarify, I have a preference for Tuesday meetings, but will accommodate the group, of course.
<johnarwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-sml/2007Jun/att-0013/20070612-sml-minutes.html
<Paul_L> Sorry, I meant F2F meetings.
<johnarwe> look the 6/12 minutes at uri above, search for red, email updates w/in next 24 hours
John: minutes from the past F2F are unclear in a few places (red text in the above link). WG members please review them within the next 24 hours.
<MSM> [time check]
Paul: suggest to include [sml] in all our group email discussions.
Philippe: not a convention W3C uses consistently.