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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4644 ------- Comment #5 from kumarp@microsoft.com 2007-12-13 08:50 ------- Almost all of the suggested changes have been made. I have noted inline where I deviated from the suggestion. ------------------ 1. Section 5.0 mainly contains non-normative information (examples, explanations). The only exception is the following sentence: "If an assert or report is violated, then the violation MUST be reported during model validation together with the specified message. Model validation MUST evaluate each Schematron pattern for all of its applicable elements contained in the model." which is now covered in 5.2.1.3. Suggest to remove it from 5.0. [kumarp] done. The first sentence was moved to 5.2.1.3 since it was not already covered by that section. The second sentence was deleted. 2. Suggest to change the title of 5.2 to "Rules Embedded in Schema *Documents*" [kumarp] done 3. Suggest to remove 5.2.1 and put its content in 5.2. (Note that there is no 5.2.2.) [kumarp] done. 4. Need to be consistent *Schematron* vs. *schematron*. [kumarp] done. Also sometimes the rules are referred to as "constraints" and sometimes "patterns". Each complex type/element declaration can have multiple "xs:appinfo" and each "xs:appinfo" can have multiple "sch:schema", so each complex type/element declaration can potentially have multiple Schematron schemas. And each such schema may have multiple patterns. Maybe the {rules} should really be "a set of Schematron schemas"? [kumarp] I like the word ‘constraint’ because it also aligns with other parts of the spec (ref constraints, identity constraints, etc.). However, I agree that we should consistently use the same word, therefore I defined it in the Terminology section as: Schematron Constraint The information contained within a single sch:schema element. I referenced this definition where appropriate for consistency. 5. Section 5.2.1.1. "It MUST NOT be attached to any other kind of schema component." It's not clear whether this is at the syntax level or component level. This is important for anonymous complex types (those without a name attribute and embedded inside <xs:element> elements). What we said during 2007-12-06 telecon was that, for anonymous types, Schematron rules are not allowed at the syntax level, but is allowed at the component level, when they inherit rules from their base types. I see a few options: a. Change our decision from 2007-12-06 and say "if a global base type has rules, then one can't derive an anonymous type from it, because anonymous types are not allowed to have rules". This will make rules much less useful. b. Change our decision and say "rules are allowed on all complex types, including anonymous, both in syntax and in the abstract component model". I don't see any harm if we go with this approach. The main reason for only allowing rules on globals was because of local *elements*, not types. c. Keep our earlier decision, and change 5.2.1.1 to clarify that the quoted sentence only applies to the syntax. If we go with this route, we can replace the first paragraph in 5.2.1.1 to: "sch:schema elements can be embedded in members of the {application information} of the {annotation} of a global element declaration or a global complex type definition. They MUST NOT be embedded in any other kind of schema component." This fits better in section 5.2.1.1, because this section is about syntax -> model mapping, so constraints should be described in terms of the syntax. [kumarp] done. 5. Section 5.2.1.1, bullet 2. Simple type definitions don't have {rules}. Should remove this bullet. [kumarp] done. 6. Bullet 4, because the base type definition can be a simple type, need to have 2 different cases: if base is complex, then union; otherwise use local-rules. [kumarp] done. 7. 5.2.1.2, bullet 1. This again contradicts our decision that anonymous complex types can have rules via inheritance. This rule should only apply to element declaration. Also it should use the property {rules}. i.e. "{rules} for local element declarations MUST be the empty set." [kumarp] done 8. For all target* constraints and identity constraints, we have a rule "if 2 element declarations of the same name appear in the same complex type, then they must have the same {target*/identity constraints}". Do we want the same for {rules}? If we do, we can add the following bullet: [kumarp] We discussed in the conf call that there is no easy way to define equality for schematron constraints. Thus even if we define this condition, we cannot really enforce it correctly in all cases. "If 2 element declarations E1 and E2 have the same {namespace name} and {name} and they are both contained (directly, indirectly, or implicitly) in a content model of a complex type, then E1 and E2 have the same set of {rules}. Note: this implies that a global element declaration with non-empty {rules} cannot be included in the same complex type definition as a local element declaration." [kumarp] Please see the earlier comment. Defining “same set of rules” is not easy. 9. 5.2.1.2, bullet 2.a. The "automatically copied" rule is already covered in 5.2.1.1 bullet 4. What we should say in 5.2.1.2, if anything, should be that "If complex type definition D is derived from another complex type definition B, then D'{rules} is a super set of B's {rules}." [kumarp] Since we automatically copy rules from base type to the derived type, is there a case where D’s rules can be a subset of B’s rules? I cannot think of any such case. If there is no such case then this rule is redundant. Further, I want to avoid the word ‘superset’ because we will need to define it. What does superset really mean in this case? The number of rules is same or more? Or rules are identical and additional rules are added? If so, what does identical mean? I wanted to avoid this confusion therefore I have worded the text to avoid the word superset. Also note that this should apply to both restriction and extension. (i.e. extension can't remove {rules}.) This should become bullet 2. [kumarp] Agreed about the behavior being true for both restriction and extension. I have reflected this in the new bullet# 3. I have retained the “automatically-copied” wording because I want to avoid confusion over whether the union of {rules} is performed by the SML validator or by schema author (by hand). 9. 5.2.1.2, bullet 2.b.iii. -> "EB is a global element declaration ..." 10. 5.2.1.2, bullet 2.b. The reason the case described in 2.b is an error is because it violates the "restriction" rule, which is not clear from all the bullets. Suggest to replace it with a more general rule, and list this particular case as a note/example. i.e. use the following as the new bullet 3 (which is also consistent with similar wording in other sections): "For a complex type D derived by restriction from its {base type definition} B, if ED is included in D and EB is included in B and ED and EB satisfies the "NameAndTypeOK" constraint (for XML Schema’s definition of valid restrictions, see Schema Component Constraint: Particle Valid (Restriction), Constraints on Particle Schema Components in [XML Schema Structures]), then {rules} of ED MUST be a superset of that of EB. Note: this implies that if a global element declaration with non-empty {rules} is included in a base type definition, then it cannot be restricted to a local element declaration." [kumarp] I agree that the purpose of the bullets was unclear. I added the wording above and retained the earlier bullets. This way I can avoid using the word ‘superset’ and still achieve the end result. 11. See comment 4. Depending on what {rules} contains (set of schemas, patterns, constraints, rules, assertions, ...), 5.2.1.3 needs to be written differently. 12. 5.2.1.3. Should refer to {rules} and fix up the bullet numbers. e.g. "1. Each Schematron schema/pattern/constraint in {rules} of a complex type definition CT MUST be evaluated for all element instances of CT in a model. 2. Each Schematron schema/pattern/constraint in {rules} of a global element declaration ED MUST be evaluated for all element instances of G in a model. 3. As defined in the Schematron specification [ISO/IEC 19757-3], a Schematron schema/pattern/constraint MUST be evaluated for an instance element by ..." [kumarp] done. 13. (Not directly related to this bug.) The title of section 5.4 is confusing. It's really not about a "profile". The only thing said in this section is "default queryBinding is xslt, which is required to be supported". Maybe this section can be combined with 5.1. [kumarp] done
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