- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:22:50 -0400
- To: public-silver@w3.org
Minutes from the Silver Conformance Options subgroup teleconference of
Thursday 31 March are provided here.
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SUMMARY:
We debriefed on our presentation to AGWG;
Our basic approach seems acceptable;
For next steps we will focus on the details of our 3 bucket approach in a few
chosen situations.
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Hypertext minutes available at:
https://www.w3.org/2022/03/31-silver-conf-minutes.html
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W3C
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Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
31 Mar 2022
IRC log.
Attendees
Present
GreggVan, janina, jeanne, joeyang, maryjom, PeterKorn, shadi, SusiPallero, ToddL, Wilco
Regrets
Azlan_Cuttilan, Darryl_Lehmann
Chair
Janina
Scribe
maryjom, shadi
Contents
1. Agenda Review & Administrative Items
2. User Scenarios Debrief https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios
Meeting minutes
Agenda Review & Administrative Items
Janina: main agenda item is debrief
⊠and talking about what next
⊠no announcements today
User Scenarios Debrief https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios
Peter: think meeting went very well
⊠wasn't surprised that exception discussion came up
⊠but felt there was warmth for the work
Joseph: [introduces himself]
Jeanne: thought it went very well
⊠most comments seemed engaging
⊠that was my hope
Janina: agree
<jeanne> +1 to Shadi's response
Janina: didn't hear any opposition to the buckets concept
Todd: thought conversation went very well
⊠good responses to questions
Wilco: agree with all
⊠not surprised that exceptions came up
⊠wonder if we need to address upfront
Peter: tried that in user generated
⊠but may be worthwhile to try again
Janina: agree it will continue to come up
⊠as long as WCAG 2.x is being worked on
⊠mindset different from 3.0 model
⊠maybe need to work on smaller set of situations
⊠and lay out the buckets more nuanced
Peter: so far we had mostly focused on standards level work
⊠maybe the next step would be to work on application and policy guidance
⊠as examples to help people understand the approach
Janina: we seem to be in agreement
⊠maybe not do that for all situations but just a subset
Jeanne: +1
<jeanne> +1 to going back with 2 well-worked out examples
Peter: I like that idea
<ToddL> +1 as well.
Gregg: maybe pick ones that are easier to understand
⊠some that are more policy related
⊠to help relieve some of the tension
⊠might get a better reaction
⊠avoid perception we're trying to get an exception
<PeterKorn> "Considerations for policy-makers looking to adopt WCAG [3]"
Wilco: is this to come with a document for policy makers?
Gregg: yes, more towards our third bucket
⊠maybe lead with the policy guidance
⊠and at the end add things that could be done in addition
<jeanne> +1 to coming back in detail with only 1 or 2 items
Janina: could pick just 2 or 3 and try to be more nuanced
⊠some things stand out to me from reading the document
⊠critical errors will be an important concept
⊠second, more sophisticated way of labeling things
⊠maybe some form of metadata markup
⊠could be a win, because can build smarter interfaces
shadi: Generally an explanation of what to expect that is easy to get to that provides access to get help when requirements aren't met.
Peter: which of the 11 situations do we think are most ripe?
⊠maybe ones that policy makers have already addressed
⊠like small businesses, which most policies already address
⊠another one, is transition periods when introducing new policies
⊠also possibly something around situation 7 and future technologies
Gregg: think that is spot-on
⊠these are mostly policy areas
⊠will have less controversy
⊠maybe we have too many bullets on policy
⊠could just say, this is a policy issue
<jeanne> For small business, we should provide suggested language for procurement contracts
Gregg: could work on the details later
Janina: on XR, maybe have some first pieces that could be done already
<GreggVan> sorry I have to go present to a class at CMU regrets
Janina: speaks to the fact that we can't be just categorical
<GreggVan> +1
Janina: would like to address authoring tool vendors a little
⊠because they have such a massive impact
Peter: suggest even cite policy examples we know of
⊠there might be some technical aspects in the small business area as well
⊠lowest hanging fruit that is easy to do
⊠maybe could be more nuanced
⊠think there might be some examples
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say that we should start with ones that are mostly policy but there are things we can suggest technically.
Jeanne: thinking of 2 and 3 or of 4 and 5
⊠think these are more balanced examples
⊠technical things we can do
⊠specific things we can put in each of the buckets
⊠if we do only policy ones, might a have a lot to catch up on
shadi: RE: Peter, agree with overall approach but nervous of citing specific policy as examples. Could start us down rabbit holes.
⊠Should stay somewhat agnostic from specific policy and what is good/bad. Could cause some pushback.
⊠Situation 1 with bugs could have some controversy, but is a central one that has more policy than technical concerns.
<SusiPallero> +1
shadi: Marking what works/doesn't work, stating a policy to how to report bugs, avoid having critical errors, etc.
Peter: maybe being too cautious
⊠could start with something more complex internally
⊠like 11, 1, or other
⊠see how this pans out, and re-assess later
Janina: last task from AGWG Chairs before this task were
⊠sampling and reporting
⊠and third-party
⊠so could consider that as well
Peter: third party could be another option
Peter: could also think about the role of accompanying guidance
⊠things to look for when evaluating a CMS
⊠not for us to develop that guidance but to outline that
Janina: EOWG has also been doing a lot of excellent work
<Wilco> +1 I think there's a lot to be said for continuing on the third-party direction
Janina: doesn't all have to come from AGWG
⊠could maybe be interested in providing some of this guidance
⊠and work with the maturity model guidance
Todd: think working on subset of buckets is a good idea
<PeterKorn> I also need to drop a touch early. Thank you!
Todd: like the discussion we are having today
Janina: let's think about this more
⊠and regroup next week to take this further
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 185 (Thu Dec 2 18:51:55 2021 UTC).
Maybe present: Gregg, Joseph, Peter, Todd
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Janina Sajka
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Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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