- From: Sajka, Janina <sajkaj@amazon.com>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 17:26:14 +0000
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We now have the usual generated minutes!
Minutes from the Silver Task Force and Community Group teleconference of
Friday 4 June are provided here.
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SUMMARY:
* Update on May heartbeat; Its good to go!
* Discussion of timelines and other considerations for better engaging
with AGWG on the August heartbeat and beyond
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Hypertext minutes available at:
https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-silver-minutes.html
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W3C
- DRAFT -
Silver Task Force & Community Group
04 June 2021
IRC log.
Attendees
Present
AngelaAccessForAll, ChrisLoiselle, Chuck_, Fazio, Francis_Storr, Jan, jeanne, jennifer, JF, KimD, Laura_Carlson, Lauriat, Rain, sajkaj, sarahhorton, SuzanneTaylor, ToddLibby
Regrets
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Chair
jeanne, Shawn
Scribe
sajkaj
Contents
1. Update on May heartbeat draft
2. Commenting on scripts for EO videos
3. Moving to subgroup over W3C calendar app
4. Meeting schedule discussion
5. Plan for August heartbeat draft
Meeting minutes
<ChrisLoiselle> Unable to scribe.
sl: Looks for update info
Update on May heartbeat draft
Chuck_: Some valid concerns were raised and we've been working those issues out
Chuck_: All -1 votes have changed to +1 and we are good as of the moment
jeanne: Questions?
[crickets]
Commenting on scripts for EO videos
jeanne: Recalls was discussed briefly last week ...
jeanne: This is a series of short videos from E&O about specific SC criteria, but are writing them in a way that will work for both 2.x and 3
<Lauriat> Survey link, I think I found it: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WCAGvideos_batch2thorough/
jeanne: Comments requested on any script of particular interest
jeanne: It'
It's not necessary to comment on all scripts
. You can pick and choose!
. Survey closes 7 June, I believe
<ChrisLoiselle> due June 7th. Per Brent's email.
Moving to subgroup over W3C calendar app
jeanne: Apologies for overload from the calendar invite
jeanne: Was my error with the new system
jeanne: Proposing to move all subgroup meetings to this calendar
jeanne: Allows subgroup leaders to add and delete participants
jeanne: Have some subgroups set up, but not all
jeanne: If I'm not regularly in your subgroup, please email me with data!
Chuck_: Curious about user error?
Chuck_: Is it very easy to get confused? Or is it just a learning issue?
jeanne: Believe it will be easy and convenient once we learn to use it
jeanne: I misinterpreted a field definition
jeanne: i.e."End Field" is meeting end, not something else
jeanne: But once meeting flagged out of draft, it's forwarded to the list
jeanne: Don't set it to 'confirm' until you know you've got it right!
jeanne: Requesting patience with newbie error!
<Chuck_> Thank you for doing the recon for us
Lauriat: Sounds useful!
Meeting schedule discussion
jeanne: Notes Errors guideline didn't fair as well as hoped on AGWG call
jeanne: Consequently, following discussion, we're going to try and get AGWG info about upcoming decision points earlier
jeanne: So, trying to figure out what various subgroups want in August draft so it can be forwarded to AGWG well before we're trying to publish
<Chuck_> +1 to strategy
jeanne: Does also mean we'll be meeting with AGWG weekly, at least through June, and probably through July
jeanne: Is that OK? Any objections?
jeanne: Do we also need to have Silver on Tuesday in addition?
jeanne: Most interested in hearing from Makoto, so seems he's adjusted
<JF> +1 shawn
Lauriat: Whatever we discuss can also be sent out
sarahhorton: Notes Errors presented to this group multiple times, and also to AGWG some weeks ago, ...
sarahhorton: Absolutely believe in getting concepts out early
sarahhorton: Not sure what will be enough given the experience this week
sarahhorton: How do we get them invested in successful outcomes
Chuck_: Just brainstorming ...
Chuck_: Individuals on both groups have expressed interested in migrating content
Chuck_: Hoping more participants will be more familiarity and investment
Chuck_: Additionally, believe Jeanne is formulating a proposal to AGWG based on a long standing AGWG process
Chuck_: So that may help
<Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note the regularity on publishing, in hopes of reducing fears of missing August (or a particular draft) so we can also get used to iterating on the work as helpful
Lauriat: Believe those will help ...
Lauriat: Hopefully publishing regularly will also help
Lauriat: So, if some content piece misses a particular heartbeat, the next one will be soon, and therefore the opportunity to get it in sooner, not later
Lauriat: Heartbeats should also give greater ease about including content, because it will be clearer all drafts can be changed
Lauriat: Recalls also the open question about changing Friday Silver telecon time? Or adding back the Tuesday Silver call?
Lauriat: Thoughts?
Chuck_: I like reduced meetings, but have continued to join even the cancelled Tuesday call just in case
Chuck_: Just incase someone shows up with something to discuss
sajkaj: Like a Clubhouse room! :)
[group rifs on Clubhouse]
<Lauriat> +1 to that idea
<Lauriat> (the meetings, not the clubhouse naming)
jeanne: Hearing no objections ...
jeanne: Tuesday call not deleted, but not formally expected at least through June and July
jeanne: Friday call will continue
jeanne: Please check public-silver@w3.org for AGWG agenda and WBS survey! It's important to the process
Lauriat: Suggest a quick email followup on our list
Lauriat: Makes it clear and provides opportunity for any others to comment
Plan for August heartbeat draft
<KimD> +1 to Tuesday flexibility
<jeanne> o Conformance Options wants a proposal on 3rd party content
<jeanne> o probably more from Errors
<jeanne> o Structured Content wants new material but need more participation
<jeanne> o Accessibility for Children Community Group has restarted and
<jeanne> will be working on user needs and identifying research gaps.
<jeanne> This probably will not be part of the August heartbeat but is
<jeanne> useful to get started.
jeanne: Notes discussion last week ...
jeanne: Conformance Options will have Third Party Content proposal
jeanne: Errors expects to have more content ready
jeanne: Accessibility for Children has restarted and will be working--but not August
jeanne: Asks about Visual Contrast??
ChrisLoiselle: Internal discussions for particular PRs, at the moment no additional
ChrisLoiselle: Can't yet say for August
jeanne: So the PRs are the key?
ChrisLoiselle: Yes
jeanne: So, we'll need to schedule AGWG time for that
SuzanneTaylor: XR subgroup can try to have 2 methods for caption timing
SuzanneTaylor: We can try to go through the process, currently revising the drafts to get more feedback
jeanne: Any timeline?
SuzanneTaylor: Not sure
SuzanneTaylor: Trying to get consensus from group
SuzanneTaylor: probably mid July
jeanne: that would work
jeanne: Goal is to have everything introduced and perhaps through the process by end July
<Chuck_> Janina: Question on contrast. CSS flagged something for us. Is there something we can pass on to CSS?
<Chuck_> Chris: From point of conversing with W3C, there's been discussions between the need to bridge between the groups informally and would like to do that.
<Chuck_> Chris: I haven't spoken to anybody specifically on that topic.
<Chuck_> Janina: Let me know if there's a best write-up I can point CSS towards. I'll make them aware. I think they will be excited to see it.
<Chuck_> Chris: Any email or thread please forward to me.
<Chuck_> Janina: But nothing in the form of draft yet?
<Chuck_> Chris: No, not yet.
Lauriat: Other questions on heartbeat?
jeanne: Other groups not yet reported? COGA input?
Jan_: Just had a kickoff meeting to start work on help and links back to Content Usable
jan Don't know whether it will be ready for August
Jan_: Can touch base
jeanne: Glad to hear it's started
Rain: Exactly, but also another subgroup looking at Clear Words
jeanne: Would be most helpful, thanks
<Fazio> John Rochford EA Draffan are very active on clear words
Jan_: That's our only new guideline which isn't a migration from 2.x so far
<Fazio> we just discussed it yesterday
Fazio: Maturity Model -- will be presenting to AGWG soon, and will be meeting next Friday to preview --
jeanne: Would you like to present next Friday here?
Fazio: Possibly
Fazio: Will run it by the group
jeanne: There's time next week
Fazio: Will advise
jeanne: Please keep Shawn and me in the loop; and please advise when ready to present
jeanne: Usually need a few weeks warning to get calendered onto AGWG agenda
Lauriat: I will update via email on list re upcoming meetings schedule
Lauriat: Bye to all!
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC).
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Janina Sajka
Accessibility Standards Consultant
sajkaj@amazon.com<mailto:sajkaj@amazon.com>
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