Minutes for Today's (6/4/2021) Silver Call

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[12:02] <Rain> Present+
[12:02] <jennifer> present+
[12:02] <Chuck_> present+
[12:03] <sajkaj> sl: Looks for update info
[12:03] <Lauriat> Zakim, take up item 1
[12:03] <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Update on May heartbeat draft -- taken up [from jeanne]
[12:03] <ToddLibby> present+
[12:03] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Some valid concerns were raised and we've been working those issues out
[12:03] <sajkaj> Chuck_: All -1 votes have changed to +1 and we are good as of the moment
[12:03] * MichaelC notes Lauriat is host and is the one who can turn on captioning
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[12:04] <Francis_Storr> present+
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[12:04] * Lauriat We got it sorted, thank you! David stole host for a bit.
[12:04] <sajkaj> jeanne: Questions?
[12:04] <sajkaj> [crickets]
[12:04] <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
[12:04] <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Commenting on scripts for EO videos -- taken up [from jeanne]
[12:04] <sarahhorton> present+
[12:04] <sajkaj> jeanne: Recalls was discussed briefly last week ...
[12:05] <sajkaj> jeanne: This is a series of short videos from E&O about specific SC criteria, but are writing them in a way that will work for both 2.x and 3
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[12:05] <AngelaAccessForAll> present+
[12:05] <Lauriat> Survey link, I think I found it: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WCAGvideos_batch2thorough/
[12:05] <sajkaj> jeanne: Comments requested on any script of particular interest
[12:05] <sajkaj> jeanne: It'
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[12:05] <sajkaj> It's not necessary to comment on all scripts
[12:05] <Fazio> present+
[12:05] <sajkaj> . You can pick and choose!
[12:06] <JF> Present+
[12:06] <sajkaj> . Survey closes 17 June, I believe
[12:06] <@ChrisLoiselle> due June 7th. Per Brent's email.
[12:06] <sajkaj> s/17/7/
[12:06] <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
[12:06] <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Moving to subgroup over W3C calendar app -- taken up [from jeanne]
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[12:07] <Chuck_> q+
[12:07] * Zakim sees Chuck_ on the speaker queue
[12:07] <sajkaj> jeanne:  Apologies for overload from the calendar invite
[12:07] <sajkaj> jeanne: Was my error with the new system
[12:07] <Jan_> present+ Jan
[12:07] <sajkaj> jeanne: Proposing to move all subgroup meetings to this calendar
[12:08] <sajkaj> jeanne: Allows subgroup leaders to add and delete participants
[12:08] <sajkaj> jeanne: Have some subgroups set up, but not all
[12:08] <sajkaj> jeanne: If I'm not regularly in your subgroup, please email me with data!
[12:09] <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
[12:09] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:09] <SuzanneTaylor> present+
[12:09] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Curious about user error?
[12:09] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Is it very easy to get confused? Or is it just a learning issue?
[12:09] <sajkaj> jeanne: Believe it will be easy and convenient once we learn to use it
[12:10] <sajkaj> jeanne: I misinterpreted a field definition
[12:10] <sajkaj> jeanne: i.e."End Field" is meeting end, not something else
[12:10] <sajkaj> jeanne: But once meeting flagged out of draft, it's forwarded to the list
[12:11] <sajkaj> jeanne: Don't set it to 'confirm' until you know you've got it right!
[12:11] <sajkaj> jeanne: Requesting patience with newbie error!
[12:11] <Chuck_> Thank you for doing the recon for us
[12:11] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Sounds useful!
[12:11] <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
[12:11] <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Meeting schedule discussion -- taken up [from jeanne]
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[12:12] <sajkaj> jeanne: Notes Errors guideline didn't fair as well as hoped on AGWG call
[12:13] <sajkaj> jeanne: Consequently, following discussion, we're going to try and get AGWG info about upcoming decision points earlier
[12:13] <sajkaj> jeanne: So, trying to figure out what various subgroups want in August draft so it can be forwarded to AGWG well before we're trying to publish
[12:14] <Chuck_> +1 to strategy
[12:14] <sajkaj> jeanne: Does also mean we'll be meeting with AGWG weekly, at least through June, and probably through July
[12:14] <sajkaj> jeanne: Is that OK? Any objections?
[12:14] <sajkaj> jeanne: Do we also need to have Silver on Tuesday in addition?
[12:15] <sajkaj> jeanne: Most interested in hearing from Makoto, so seems he's adjusted
[12:15] <JF> +1 shawn
[12:15] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Whatever we discuss can also be sent out
[12:15] <sarahhorton> q+
[12:15] * Zakim sees sarahhorton on the speaker queue
[12:16] <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
[12:16] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:16] <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Notes Errors presented to this group multiple times, and also to AGWG some weeks ago, ...
[12:16] <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Absolutely believe in getting concepts out early
[12:17] <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Not sure what will be enough given the experience this week
[12:17] <Chuck_> q+
[12:17] * Zakim sees Chuck_ on the speaker queue
[12:17] <sajkaj> sarahhorton: How do we get them invested in successful outcomes
[12:17] <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
[12:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:17] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Just brainstorming ...
[12:18] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Individuals on both groups have expressed interested in migrating content
[12:18] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Hoping more participants will be more familiarity and investment
[12:18] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Additionally, believe Jeanne is formulating a proposal to AGWG based on a long standing AGWG process
[12:18] <Lauriat> q+ to note the regularity on publishing, in hopes of reducing fears of missing August (or a particular draft) so we can also get used to iterating on the work as helpful
[12:18] * Zakim sees Lauriat on the speaker queue
[12:18] <sajkaj> Chuck_: So that may help
[12:19] <jeanne> ack lau
[12:19] <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note the regularity on publishing, in hopes of reducing fears of missing August (or a particular draft) so we can also get used to iterating on the work as
[12:19] <Zakim> ... helpful
[12:19] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:19] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Believe those will help ...
[12:19] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Hopefully publishing regularly will also help
[12:20] <Lauriat> ack me
[12:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:20] <sajkaj> Lauriat: So, if some content piece misses a particular heartbeat, the next one will be soon, and therefore the opportunity to get it in sooner, not later
[12:21] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Heartbeats should also give greater ease about including content, because it will be clearer all drafts can be changed
[12:21] <jeanne> agenda?
[12:21] * Zakim sees 2 items remaining on the agenda:
[12:21] * Zakim 5. Meeting schedule discussion [from jeanne]
[12:21] * Zakim 3. Plan for August heartbeat draft [from jeanne]
[12:22] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Recalls also the open question about changing Friday Silver telecon time? Or adding back the Tuesday Silver call?
[12:22] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Thoughts?
[12:22] <Chuck_> q+
[12:22] * Zakim sees Chuck_ on the speaker queue
[12:22] <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
[12:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:22] <sajkaj> Chuck_: I like reduced meetings, but have continued to join even the cancelled Tuesday call just in case
[12:22] <sajkaj> Chuck_: Just incase someone shows up with something to discuss
[12:23] <sajkaj> sajkaj: Like a Clubhouse room! :)
[12:23] <sajkaj> [group rifs on Clubhouse]
[12:23] <Lauriat> +1 to that idea
[12:23] <Lauriat> (the meetings, not the clubhouse naming)
[12:24] <sajkaj> jeanne: Hearing no objections ...
[12:24] <sajkaj> jeanne: Tuesday call not deleted, but not formally expected at least through June and July
[12:24] <sajkaj> jeanne: Friday call will continue
[12:25] <sajkaj> jeanne: Please check public-silver@w3.org for AGWG agenda and WBS survey! It's important to the process
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[12:26] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Suggest a quick email followup on our list
[12:26] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Makes it clear and provides opportunity for any others to comment
[12:26] <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
[12:26] <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
[12:26] <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Plan for August heartbeat draft -- taken up [from jeanne]
[12:26] <KimD> +1 to Tuesday flexibility
[12:26] <jeanne>      o Conformance Options wants a proposal on 3rd party content
[12:26] <jeanne>       o probably more from Errors
[12:26] <jeanne>       o Structured Content wants new material but need more participation
[12:26] <jeanne>       o Accessibility for Children Community Group has restarted and
[12:26] <jeanne>         will be working on user needs and identifying research gaps.
[12:26] <jeanne>         This probably will not be part of the August heartbeat but is
[12:26] <jeanne>         useful to get started.
[12:26] <sajkaj> jeanne: Notes discussion last week ...
[12:27] <sajkaj> jeanne: Conformance Options will have Third Party Content proposal
[12:27] <sajkaj> jeanne: Errors expects to have more content ready
[12:27] <sajkaj> jeanne: Accessibility for Children has restarted and will be working--but not August
[12:28] <sajkaj> jeanne: Asks about Visual Contrast??
[12:29] <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Internal discussions for particular PRs, at the moment no additional
[12:29] <SuzanneTaylor> q+
[12:29] * Zakim sees SuzanneTaylor on the speaker queue
[12:29] <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Can't yet say for August
[12:29] <sajkaj> jeanne: So the PRs are the key?
[12:29] <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Yes
[12:30] <sajkaj> q+
[12:30] * Zakim sees SuzanneTaylor, sajkaj on the speaker queue
[12:30] <sajkaj> jeanne: So, we'll need to schedule AGWG time for that
[12:30] <Lauriat> ack SuzanneTaylor
[12:30] * Zakim sees sajkaj on the speaker queue
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[12:30] <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: XR subgroup can try to have 2 methods for caption timing
[12:31] <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: We can try to go through the process, currently revising the drafts to get more feedback
[12:31] <sajkaj> jeanne: Any timeline?
[12:31] <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: Not sure
[12:32] <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: Trying to get consensus from group
[12:32] <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: probably mid July
[12:32] <sajkaj> jeanne: that would work
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[12:32] <sajkaj> jeanne: Goal is to have everything introduced and perhaps through the process by end July
[12:32] <Lauriat> ack sajkaj
[12:32] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:33] <Chuck_> Janina:  Question on contrast.  CSS flagged something for us.  Is there something we can pass on to CSS?
[12:34] <Chuck_> Chris:  From point of conversing with W3C, there's been discussions between the need to bridge between the groups informally and would like to do that.
[12:34] <Chuck_> Chris:  I haven't spoken to anybody specifically on that topic.
[12:34] <Chuck_> Janina:  Let me know if there's a best write-up I can point CSS towards.  I'll make them aware.  I think they will be excited to see it.
[12:34] * Lauriat Thank you for back-up scribing, Chuck!
[12:34] <Chuck_> Chris:  Any email or thread please forward to me.
[12:35] <Chuck_> Janina: But nothing in the form of draft yet?
[12:35] <Chuck_> Chris:  No, not yet.
[12:35] <Lauriat> qv?
[12:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:35] * Chuck_ back to Janina's skilled hands
[12:36] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Other questions on heartbeat?
[12:36] <sajkaj> jeanne: Other groups not yet reported? COGA input?
[12:36] <sajkaj> Jan_: Just had a kickoff meeting to start work on help and links back to Content Usable
[12:37] <sajkaj> jan Don't know whether it will be ready for August
[12:37] <Rain> q+
[12:37] * Zakim sees Rain on the speaker queue
[12:37] <sajkaj> Jan_: Can touch base
[12:37] <Lauriat> ack Rain
[12:37] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:37] <sajkaj> jeanne: Glad to hear it's started
[12:37] <sajkaj> Rain: Exactly, but also another subgroup looking at Clear Words
[12:37] <sajkaj> jeanne: Would be most helpful, thanks
[12:37] <Fazio> John Rochford EA Draffan are very active on clear words
[12:38] <sajkaj> Jan_: That's our only new guideline which isn't a migration from 2.x so far
[12:38] <Lauriat> q?
[12:38] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:38] <Fazio> we just discussed it yesterday
[12:40] <sajkaj> Fazio: Maturity Model -- will be presenting to AGWG soon, and will be meeting next Friday to preview --
[12:40] <sajkaj> jeanne: Would you like to present next Friday here?
[12:40] <sajkaj> Fazio: Possibly
[12:40] <sajkaj> Fazio: Will run it by the group
[12:41] <sajkaj> jeanne: There's time next week
[12:41] <sajkaj> Fazio: Will advise
[12:41] <sajkaj> jeanne: Please keep Shawn and me in the loop; and please advise when ready to present
[12:41] <sajkaj> jeanne: Usually need a few weeks warning to get calendered onto AGWG agenda
[12:42] <jeanne> agenda?
[12:42] * Zakim sees 1 item remaining on the agenda:
[12:42] * Zakim 3. Plan for August heartbeat draft [from jeanne]
[12:43] <sajkaj> Lauriat: I will update via email on list re upcoming meetings schedule
[12:43] <sajkaj> Lauriat: Bye to all!
[12:43] <sajkaj> zakim, bye
[12:43] <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, sajkaj, ChrisLoiselle, Lauriat, KimD, Rain, jennifer, Chuck_, ToddLibby, Francis_Storr, sarahhorton, AngelaAccessForAll,
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[12:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-silver-minutes.html sajkaj
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Charles Adams