- From: Sajka, Janina <sajkaj@amazon.com>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:04:06 +0000
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Minutes from the Silver Task Force and Community Group teleconference of
Friday 16 July are provided here.
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SUMMARY:
* Coordination of content for WBS and AGWG discussion slated for August
Working Draft
* Additional review of content groups
* Current focus is methods and outcomes; new scoring to come in August
* We need to start planning for TPAC--will be agendum next Friday
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Hypertext minutes available at:
https://www.w3.org/2021/07/16-silver-minutes.html
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W3C
- DRAFT -
Silver Task Force & Community Group
16 July 2021
IRC log.
Attendees
Present
Francis_Storr, jeanne, Jemma, jenniferS, Lauriat, Makoto, mgarrish, PeterKorn, Rachael, sajkaj, sarahhorton, SuzanneTaylor, Wilco
Regrets
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Chair
jeanne, Shawn
Scribe
sajkaj
Contents
1. August draft prep
2. Subgroup check-in
Meeting minutes
<PeterKorn> I'm only partly here until my coffee finishes brewing
August draft prep
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Project_Plan_for_Q3_Working_Draft
jeanne: Asks SH for Errors update ...
sarahhorton: Have a PR approved by Michael, now need Facilitator approval and merge
jeanne: Believe we need AGWG approval before we merge
jeanne: That's the agreed process
jeanne: Michael is working up a process doc for us
jeanne: And you're on track to present on 27th? Also, this is just methods; says "scoring to be determined"
sarahhorton: Yes, also responded to several comments received
sarahhorton: Methods with some fixes from before; and two new methods
jeanne: WBS goes 22nd ...
Rachael: Can be generic WBS unless specific feedback wanted
sajkaj: Shows only text design
sarahhorton: Yes, so still a Michael task
Jemma: Have minor typo edits etc so will be updating PR
sarahhorton: I'll let him know it needs to be up by the 22nd
<Jemma> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag3-error-prevention/results
jeanne: Suggest the fewer questions the more succinctly we can present this as already discussed and reviewed
sarahhorton: asks about how to do walk through
sarahhorton: AGWG hasn't seen the two new methods, but it's the same outcomes
Rachael: maybe a single question--the conversation should still come up
jeanne: another guideline for august?
sarahhorton: another in dev, but not by august
<PeterKorn> Coffee acquired!
jeanne: Turns to Explainer ---
jeanne: on for 3 Aug
jeanne: So for us next Friday 23 July
jeanne: User Gen also for 23rd here
jeanne: New ACT for Tuesday?
Wilco: yes
Francis_Storr: Will endeavor to get my ACT part in today
jeanne: Asks Makoto about AGWG on 22nd ...
makoto want to update
Makoto: have weekly Tuesday mtg
Makoto: have 9 public comments from FPWD
<Makoto> https://github.com/w3c/silver/labels/Subgroup%3A%20Alt%20Text
Makoto: We've finished drafting responses
Makoto: draft responses on github
Makoto: now have 3 more methods
Makoto: but still reviewing to make sure we didn't miss something
Makoto: sufficient technique review
Makoto: comparing against html spec, eo tutorials
Makoto: believe a few more weeks
jeanne: asks whether new methods postponed beyond tuesday?
Makoto: we can show them noting we're still working to clean them up
jeanne: good, good to get feedback
jeanne: Suggests returning Alt for the 10th of Aug
PeterKorn: Notes we're trying to dev example of User Generated for alt
PeterKorn: could we phps have a joint mtg about how we work that in?
PeterKorn: would be good for AGWG to have seen without User Gen so that it's something new on the 3rd
jeanne: Yes, Alt scheduled for next Tuesday, so User Gen would be new on the 3rd
<jeanne> Janina: The summary of what we want to do in User Generated Content is to allow less than perfect content when ordinary people post information in social media. We do expect owners of social media sites to
show people the right way to make accessibility and prompt them.
<jenniferS> What about for an app like Instagram that builds an app that doesn't provide an avenue for users to add alt text?
<jeanne> Peter: Images on large social media sites have such volume at such a rate, that they cannot be manually addressed
PeterKorn: volume is too high for platforms to cover and fix
PeterKorn: believe alt is best prototype for the approach
jeanne: will be related to atag methods
<Francis_Storr> One interesting addition to the HTML spec is the concept of "ancillary images" which are "neither purely decorative nor entirely redundant with the text": https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/
images.html#ancillary-images
jenniferS: asks about apps that don't prompt; can we say apps should?
jenniferS: notes twitter finally added but still not ideal
<PeterKorn> Sorry; my audio dropped.
<PeterKorn> Be right back.
<Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to suggest visual recognition systems as a method as well
jeanne: that is the atag method; but we may want it in its own outcome
Lauriat: notes auto recognition systems somewhere better than XX.jpg; but not top-- so another thing to consider
jeanne: asks Shawn to draft ...
Lauriat: ok
Makoto: what about partial conformance of wcag 2.x? user gen has been exception
Makoto: will there be difference in wcag3?
PeterKorn: yes, but probably not today ...
<Lauriat> Also a user agent method, since I just remembered Chrome offers generated alt text on all platforms: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/9311597
PeterKorn: idea is to push to do all that is reasonably feasible should be recognized and credited
PeterKorn: so we will say "here's what you should do"
<jeanne> That would be awesome to have a User Agent method as well!
jeanne: asks whether expecting any new methods for xr captioning
SuzanneTaylor: not enough participation right now to finalize
jeanne: so current focus across the board is methods and outcomes; and scoring will come later--august
jeanne: seems we'll have substantial content for aug wd
Subgroup check-in
jeanne: seems we've heard from groups -- anyone else
jenniferS: re struct content -- still getting the group organized
jenniferS: hoping to get substantive next week
jeanne: asks re clear words or visual contrast
jeanne: maturity?
<jenniferS> Suzanne - I have a MITRE colleague that could assist with XR captioning. Jordan Higgins. How can he participate?
jeanne: aware that maturity would like to get some of their content published in august
jeanne: functional needs?
jeanne: conformance arch?
Francis_Storr: will be meeting again monday
jeanne: notes clear words is meeting again with more coga participation
[discussion of new member adds]
PeterKorn: re further coordination between groups
PeterKorn: anyone looking at media guidance aside from xr?
jeanne: unfortunately, no
jeanne: might be good thing to ask from AGWG
jeanne: or maybe User Generated content?
PeterKorn: what we have from xr does not cover the usual caption -- so how to do?
<jeanne> Janina: APA is scheduling joint meetings at TPAC
<jeanne> Janina: Important to set agenda topics for TPAC joint meetings
<jeanne> ... Personalizations module should be presented to Silver
<jeanne> ... APA always meets with CSS
<jeanne> ... Media Queries 5 is an important area, Janina will get the link to the video of a presentation
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples
<jeanne> ... Pronunciation task force is looking at different approaches
<jeanne> Janina: We may want to host a breakout session
<jeanne> ... Content Usable is a great example of a potential breakout session
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC).
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Janina Sajka
Accessibility Standards Consultant
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