[Conformance] Minutes for 7 January

Minutes from the Substantial Conformance Silver subgroup teleconference of
Thursday 7 January are provided here.

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SUMMARY:
*            We will use email to develop use cases for each of our principles.
*            We agreed on inscope and out of scope items and a timeline
*            We finished our first pass through proposed principles. Refinement of
              how we express them is still to follow.
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Hypertext minutes available at:
https://www.w3.org/2021/01/07-silver-conf-minutes.html

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   W3C

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                                                                                                       Conformance Options

7 Jan 2021

   IRC log.

Attendees

   Present
          Bryan, jeanne, Jemma, PeterKorn, sajkaj, sarahhorton, Wilco

   Regrets
          -

   Chair
          sajkaj

   Scribe
          sarah

Contents

    1. Agenda Review & Administrative Items
    2. Developing use cases for our principles -- How best to capture?
    3. Scoping & Timeline Discussion
    4. Principles Discussion; Item #8
    5. Be Done

Meeting minutes

  Agenda Review & Administrative Items

  Developing use cases for our principles -- How best to capture?

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Shawn had suggested use cases to go with principles, what user needs do they serve

   <sarahhorton> ... could do these in email, develop one per principle, even more

   <PeterKorn> +

   <sarahhorton> ... how best to capture them

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Email is fine to get started, then review in meetings and agree on them

   <sarahhorton> ... happy to move away from Google docs

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Add them to wiki once agreed

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Develop in email, discuss when we have them to talk about, and then decide how to add to wiki

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Can happen in any order

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Will write up one and share with group to prototype

   <sarahhorton> ... include relevant principle in email Subject

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Use [conformance]

  Scoping & Timeline Discussion

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Elaborate statement, ideas of bulleted items in scope, out of scope, timeline to get work done

   <sarahhorton> ... not doing deep dive on scoring and those details

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Scoring is among solutions

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Scope/timeline by end of week, added to top of Google doc

   <PeterKorn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyUYTnZp0HIMdsKqCiISCSCvL0su692dnW34P81kbbw/edit#

   <sarahhorton> Peter reviews addtions to document

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Would like to go beyond challenges, another document with same name, other conformance issues that need to be explored

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Might be level above testing, assessing, rating versus making conformance claim

   <sarahhorton> ... details of testing, assessing, scoring may not be part of conformance claim definition

   <sarahhorton> ... if those issues are not about conformance assessment

   <sarahhorton> ... describing multiple situations that are met through different protocols

  <sarahhorton> ... have worked most of testing ands scoring, some situations doesn't meet what's needed

   <sarahhorton> ... need ability to describe how you met it that isn't ephemeral

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Seems like a direction for proposed solution, not sure how it influences scope

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Some principles are addressed in details of scoring rather than conformance section

   <sarahhorton> ... don't want to rule out details of scoring when a lot of solution is there

   <sarahhorton> ... writing new guidelines out of scope

   <sarahhorton> ... look at how scoring flows from method to outcome

   <sarahhorton> ... multipage website, leaves room for a lot of bugs

   <sarahhorton> ... keeping flexibility at guideline level, work with dynamic sites

   <sarahhorton> ... look at how solution works with dynamic sites

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Added new guidelines, methods, outcomes to out of scope

   <sarahhorton> ... and user needs

   <sarahhorton> ... and functional need

   <sarahhorton> ... put testing and scoring into in scope

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Add revising WCAG-EM to out of scope

   <sarahhorton> Sarah: Large digital products and 3rd party content?

   <sarahhorton> Peter: No necessary to restrict scope

   <sarahhorton> ... revise purpose and principles after scope discussion

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Reviews timeline

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: How to get from principles to recommendations?

   <sarahhorton> ... how about report on status of use cases? Need time to test use cases

   <sarahhorton> ... plan for changes to Silver, depending on what needs to be fixed, some big problems, some well addressed, may have minor changes

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Roll out reports to Silver

   <sarahhorton> Janina: manual testing and 3rd party content are big challenges we will work on

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Request for scope came from chairs

   <sarahhorton> Peter: Does this need soak time, or deliver as preliminary?

   <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Would like groups to send link to chairs, Shawn, and Jeanne for comments and changes

   <sarahhorton> ... then review, revise

   <sarahhorton> Janina: Will share with chairs, silver list, add to wiki page

  Principles Discussion; Item #8

   <sarahhorton> Peter: No longer concerned about the last principle, that solution meets Silver requirements

  Be Done



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Janina Sajka

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