Re: Design Principle 9 - The Sequel ...

+1

/Denis



On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 13:57 Sahasrabudhe, Shrirang P <
ssahasrabudhe@ets.org> wrote:

> +1 Chuck.
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> Shri
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> *From:* John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:51 PM
> *To:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Cc:* Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>; Jeanne Spellman <
> jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Design Principle 9 - The Sequel ...
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> +1 Chuck
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> JF
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> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:40 PM Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> wrote:
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> One minor mod:
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> "...valid data-gathering methods can be used to obtain and evaluate
> information from advocacy groups, people with lived experience and other
> subject matter experts. We aim for and encourage research that is rigorous
> and SEEK TO INCLUDE INPUT FROM THOSE AT THE EDGES OF DIFFERENT DISABILITY
> GROUPS, AND NOT JUST THE NEEDS OF THE MAJORITY."
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> I changed “SEEKS” to “SEEK”.
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> Chuck
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> *From:* John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:47 AM
> *To:* Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>
> *Cc:* Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Design Principle 9 - The Sequel ...
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> How about:
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> "...valid data-gathering methods can be used to obtain and evaluate
> information from advocacy groups, people with lived experience and other
> subject matter experts. We aim for and encourage research that is rigorous
> and SEEKS TO INCLUDE INPUT FROM THOSE AT THE EDGES OF DIFFERENT DISABILITY
> GROUPS, AND NOT JUST THE NEEDS OF THE MAJORITY."
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> Additionally, while I support the intent of this statement, it also needs
> to be balanced to a certain extent with pragmatism - a certain amount of
> generalization is required in our Recommendation if we expect to see
> wide-spread adoption.
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> When WCAG 2.0 was being crafted, the A, AA, AAA determinations were
> arrived at NOT just based upon the impact to the user, but also on the
> impact to the content creator (in terms of complexity, cost of delivery,
> and other concerns related to the "undue burden" clause of some legislation
> requirements).
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> That's why (for example) captions in WCAG 2.0 for prerecorded content is
> at Level A (SC 1.2.2), yet captions on live material is at level AA (SC
> 1.2.4): the need is identical from the user-perspective, but the complexity
> of delivery from the content creator end is greater in the live scenario.
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> JF
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> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:07 AM Jeanne Spellman <
> jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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> Proposal from Cyborg (changes in CAPS):
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> Be data-informed and evidence-based where possible. We recognize that
> research and evidence are influenced by the number of people with a
> particular disability, by the size of the body of research, and the
> difficulty in capturing data regarding some disabilities. The intent is
> to make informed decisions wherever possible to ensure that needs of all
> people with disabilities will be prioritized equally. In situations
> where there is no evidence or research, valid data-gathering methods can
> be used to obtain AND EVALUATE information from advocacy groups, people
> with lived experience and other subject matter experts.  WE AIM FOR AND
> ENCOURAGE RESEARCH THAT IS RIGOROUS AND INCLUDES THOSE AT THE EDGES,
> RATHER THAN ONLY ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE MAJORITY.
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