Minutes of Silver meting of 4 September 2018

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                  Silver Community Group Teleconference

04 Sep 2018

Attendees

    Present
           jeanne, AngelaAccessForAll, Lauriat, KimD, LuisG,
           Cyborg, mikeCrabb, kirkwood, Charles, shari, Jan

    Regrets

    Chair
           Shawn, jeanne

    Scribe
           jeanne

Contents

      * [2]Topics
          1. [3]Plain Language new proposal
          2. [4]scheduling the Cost of Silver discussion
          3. [5]updates on Information Architecture
          4. [6]updates on Conformance
          5. [7]update on Meaningful Involvement
      * [8]Summary of Action Items
      * [9]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    <scribe> scribe: jeanne

    <Cyborg> present

Plain Language new proposal

    <scribe> scribe: jeanne

    <Cyborg>
    [10]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uebx3tpkt2dGZaV8GnWVw-L
    BLE_u9bOtlHH09HVAjTs/edit
    [11]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/11KrL5OjWcZPrrD3IeMuk3x-
    NtRJ-zABISdT0LUBZU0c/edit
    [12]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/159I0v9gNWF6_PZxqdN0bP-D
    qtXJ0TQidl3OztJLV6Dc/edit
    [13]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y8BSG0xmzqEIJcKiewc2KSs
    3SrHwenLcmghQlZGQ28g/edit
    [14]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/13Diiw6Sb4sVJNto3DejjOfL
    sMDfbxAekfvlqipclyVY/edit

      [10] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uebx3tpkt2dGZaV8GnWVw-LBLE_u9bOtlHH09HVAjTs/edit
      [11] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/11KrL5OjWcZPrrD3IeMuk3x-NtRJ-zABISdT0LUBZU0c/edit
      [12] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/159I0v9gNWF6_PZxqdN0bP-DqtXJ0TQidl3OztJLV6Dc/edit
      [13] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y8BSG0xmzqEIJcKiewc2KSs3SrHwenLcmghQlZGQ28g/edit
      [14] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/13Diiw6Sb4sVJNto3DejjOfLsMDfbxAekfvlqipclyVY/edit

    CS: I have a proposal in Google docs

    <Cyborg>
    [15]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uebx3tpkt2dGZaV8GnWVw-L
    BLE_u9bOtlHH09HVAjTs/edit?usp=sharing

      [15] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uebx3tpkt2dGZaV8GnWVw-LBLE_u9bOtlHH09HVAjTs/edit?usp=sharing

    <LuisG> This is cool

    <Cyborg>
    [16]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/11KrL5OjWcZPrrD3IeMuk3x-
    NtRJ-zABISdT0LUBZU0c/edit?usp=sharing

      [16] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/11KrL5OjWcZPrrD3IeMuk3x-NtRJ-zABISdT0LUBZU0c/edit?usp=sharing

    <Cyborg>
    [17]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/159I0v9gNWF6_PZxqdN0bP-D
    qtXJ0TQidl3OztJLV6Dc/edit?usp=sharing

      [17] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/159I0v9gNWF6_PZxqdN0bP-DqtXJ0TQidl3OztJLV6Dc/edit?usp=sharing

    <Cyborg>
    [18]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y8BSG0xmzqEIJcKiewc2KSs
    3SrHwenLcmghQlZGQ28g/edit?usp=sharing

      [18] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y8BSG0xmzqEIJcKiewc2KSs3SrHwenLcmghQlZGQ28g/edit?usp=sharing

    <Cyborg>
    [19]https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/13Diiw6Sb4sVJNto3DejjOfL
    sMDfbxAekfvlqipclyVY/edit?usp=sharing

      [19] 
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/13Diiw6Sb4sVJNto3DejjOfLsMDfbxAekfvlqipclyVY/edit?usp=sharing

    jeanne: I like the style guide aspect of "You must ensure
    that..." "This must"

    MikeCrabb: I like the subsections for each tab, it gives a
    template that people can follow in.
    ... this would work with the information architecture really
    well
    ... the develop page needs to be done differently because
    different technologies need to work differently
    ... but we can work out that detail when we build the
    information architecture prototype

    CharlesH: It doesn't have a numbered outline, so each new
    section would need the heading structure and a tag\

    Cybele: I did put an SC number
    ... there has been some discussion about people who have done
    websites that have plain language for WCAG
    ... they are oriented toward the developer
    ... when we start the development tab work, we should ask those
    developers and ask them if they want to participate.

    Jeanne: Charles, are you saying that not having a number is a
    good thing or a bad thing?

    Charles: A good thing. It allows us to scale.

    CS: I'm not attached to numbers. If it is helpful to people to
    find things by number, it's ok. IF it makes it harder, then
    remove it.

    Charles: I wasn't talking about SC numbers. I was talking about
    the numbering in the steps. If we remove the numbering, then we
    can use the tagging engine to build them more dynamically.

    MikeCrabb: The tabs along the top could dynamic -- they might
    not have all the tabs.

    Shawn: Take color contrast, that is purely design work, so we
    could just move the Develop tab?

    CS: We always want the Get Started and the Planning and the
    Test % Audit tab. You could shade out the Design or Developer
    tab

    Shawn: The tab should exist. It could say there is nothing
    specific for development here. Some technologies will be
    different.

    Kim: The developers may be responsible for writing the CSS, so
    we have to be careful.

    <kirkwood> Education and Outreach EO

    CS: There is a desire for linking to the information from
    Education and Outreach work, so this would provide a way to
    link to that information.

    Jeanne: I can see there will need to be an information
    architecture for the information we will want to link to:
    videos, tutorials, articles, etc.

    MikeCrabb: I will be working this into the prototype I'm
    building in the next couple weeks.

    Charles: The planning tab language is activity oriented, and
    the information in the tabs is person oriented.

    CS: Good catch! When I changed the tabs I didn't change the
    language in the tabs.

    Shawn: Next steps?
    ... you mentioned outreach to the developers to help out.

    Jeanne: The only requirement is that they have to join the
    Silver Community Group. We could reach out to anyone that has
    posted clear and simple information.

    CS: We can rreach out, but I am not a developer, and I don't
    know who the best people explaining for developers.

    Shawn: I think we have to be careful, because we don't want to
    get into content creation mode. We are working on the
    structure.

    CS: We want to make it as clear and obvious as possible. We
    could ask people to look at the 4 success criteria that we
    picked.

    Jeanne: We could start writing the 4 success criteria for the
    Get Started tab.

    Angela: I think that's a good place to start

    CS: We need to figure out what goes on the Develop tab, because
    that it what is most needed.

    Jeanne: I think we need to wait on the Devleop tab until Mike
    figures out the Information Architecture.

    MikeCrabb: I want to do the basics first, then I want to start
    filling out the Develop area with some content.

    CS: I picture this about everyone sitting at the table together
    and be able to understand what they are doing and why. It's a
    place to get everyone up to speed and takes them to the
    specifics as they need.

    MikeCrabb: Would it be the same as the summary? Would every
    guideline have a getting started section?
    ... we could try it a couple ways and see what people like
    best.

    CS: We could start with what Angela proposed with the Plain
    Language.
    ... it could be interated and changed.

    Jeanne: We also want to reach out to the people who wanted to
    work on the Style Guide. Are we ready to do that?

    CS: It's a parallel activity, I dont' think it needs to wait.
    ... The structure of the style guide could be started.

scheduling the Cost of Silver discussion

    Jeanne: There is a spirited discussion going on about the Cost
    of Silver. I want to have a discussion about it and invite
    people to a meeting that we talk aobut it.

    Charles: It is tied to the conformance level prototype, and I
    don't think we have decided that yet.

    Jeanne: I will send an email out to the people talking about it
    and schedule it for the 18th.

    Shawn: I haven't read the discussion in detail. What would be
    the goal of it?
    ... I consider this premature optimization

    Charles: How about whether anticipated cost should be part of
    the conformance prototype.
    ... I don't think we want to get to a cap on cost.
    ... whether or not cost should be a part of the conformance
    model, yes or no.

    CS: I think there is discussion potentially to be had on how
    cost relates to efficiency. If we make things cost effective,
    could an organization do more with the same budget.

    <kirkwood> I’d be interested

    <KimD> Me too, please

updates on Information Architecture

    MikeCrabb: I'm working on the prototype. It may be worth giving
    it to developers in advance.
    ... start a hackathon for developers to help
    ... for next year when we have it more nailed down.
    ... I'm trying to make another prototype so people can interact
    and see it

    Jeanne: I think we could run the Silver coding concurrently
    with the Silver content creation.

    Charles: Any hackathon would have to be international in
    participation

    MikeCrabb: I'll contact the Major League Hacking

    <mikeCrabb> [20]https://mlh.io/

      [20] https://mlh.io/

    MikeCrabb: to see if they would be interested in hosting
    ... they help run hackathons in university. They may be willing
    to get involved.

updates on Conformance

    <KimD> Can you share those links, Jeanne?

    Jeanne: No new updates from conformance other than an email
    with accessibility maturity model.
    ... I got an email with links on accessibility maturity model. I 
  haven't read them yet.
    ... DAMM -
    [21]https://www.levelaccess.com/the-digital-accessibility-matur
    ity-model-introduction-to-damm/
    ... PDAA of NASCIO:
    [22]https://www.nascio.org/Publications/PID/485/evl/0/CategoryI
    D/50/CategoryName/PDAA

      [21] 
https://www.levelaccess.com/the-digital-accessibility-maturity-model-introduction-to-damm/
      [22] 
https://www.nascio.org/Publications/PID/485/evl/0/CategoryID/50/CategoryName/PDAA

update on Meaningful Involvement

    CS: There has been progress, but there isn't time to talk about
    it in detail. I will have something to show on Friday.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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Received on Tuesday, 4 September 2018 14:44:19 UTC