- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@paciellogroup.com>
- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 11:32:52 -0400
- To: Silver Task Force <public-silver@w3.org>
Apologies that these minutes were not completed on the 30th. More
people attended the meeting than are in the minutes: I have adjusted
them in the email, because I can't change the actual minutes. I also
corrected some comments that were minuted about the slides. Scribing is
difficult when I'm talking quickly.
Formatted minutes (incomplete attendance. See below):
https://www.w3.org/2018/10/30-silver-minutes.html
Text of Minutes: (corrected to show who attended as best as I can remember)
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Silver Community Group Teleconference
30 Oct 2018
Attendees
Present
Cyborg, Makoto, LuisG, KimD, JF, Angela, Jeanne, Jennison,
Charles, jkirkwood
Regrets
Shawn
Chair
Jeanne
Scribe
Charles
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Update from the W3C TPAC conference
2. [4]New slide deck with updated Conformance prototype
details
* [5]Summary of Action Items
* [6]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
Update from the W3C TPAC conference
jeanne: enthusiastic and positive comments during TPAC, and
contacted by Access Board
... some concern that conformance was not further along
... received practical suggestions for rulesets and how things
can be tested vs tests themselves
New slide deck with updated Conformance prototype details
<jeanne>
[7]https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YGwCbQ1xXILFihGl4YzH
uvmiheDxtkge5V7fD7-t_sM/edit#slide=id.g4672a50df4_0_133
[7]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YGwCbQ1xXILFihGl4YzHuvmiheDxtkge5V7fD7-t_sM/edit#slide=id.g4672a50df4_0_133
jeanne: there was concern that we were just plugging wcag into
silver
“silver is not a silver bullet”
<LuisG> JR we're looking at
[8]https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YGwCbQ1xXILFihGl4YzH
uvmiheDxtkge5V7fD7-t_sM/edit#slide=id.g4672a50df4_0_133
[8]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YGwCbQ1xXILFihGl4YzHuvmiheDxtkge5V7fD7-t_sM/edit#slide=id.g4672a50df4_0_133
jeanne: this deck helps everyone find links to learn more, dive
deeper, or contribute
... flattening the structure and tagging content is the general
agreed direction for information architecture
... the WG was very interested in how wcag principles and SC
are retained. no objections on methods.
... there was a LOT of discussion on finding ways to keep the
wcag numbering. assurance was provided that numbers would be
retained as tags.
... it was made clear that the scope goes beyond web content
<Cyborg> Did you raise issues of task-based and project/overall
guidance?
john f: home automation is a good use case to cover things that
are web based with an ecosystem beyond a browser
john k: agree. especially for cognitive and speech
jeanne: the information architecture prototype is on Mike
Crabb’s git hub account. uses a functioning API but has limited
bandwidth.
... the WG was enthusiastic about the goals of the plain
language prototype
... plain language style guide will be on agenda Friday
<jeanne>
[9]https://w3c.github.io/silver/prototypes/PlainLanguage2/Secti
onHeading.html
[9]
https://w3c.github.io/silver/prototypes/PlainLanguage2/SectionHeading.html
jeanne: it was made clear that there is technical language that
still needs work in prototype
... the prototype itself – planning tab – emphasizes that
accessibility needs to be addressed early in a project (shift
left)
... the prototype includes links to wcag and EO content
... within the conformance prototype, the bronze silver gold
has a greater global understanding than A, AA, AAA
the conformance model is still getting a lot of great
discussion
Cybelle: the methods should have 3 layers like the other 2
columns
jeanne: if we start with test (test-driven), we can discover
the edge / stress cases, and THEN make a guideline that can be
tested and should be easy to test
<Cyborg> This is the person who talks about Social Return on
Investment (SROI) in relation to disability, who would be good
to speak with about conformance:
[10]http://www.rod-group.com/meet-team
[10] http://www.rod-group.com/meet-team
jeanne: the example test exposes needs for user agents to meet
the guidance
... similarly, authoring tools should enable setting language
we have to define “task-based”
john f: methods in conformance need to scale
jeanne: people try to game systems. All conformance is
vulnerable to this. Silver is helping reduce this through categories
in the point system.
... the point system would be supported by an algorithm
... functional performance and human needs are part of
conformance, but may not have the same point values.
... the lowest score determines the total score. achieving 20
gold and 1 bronze = a bronze total.
cybelle: people that span multiple categories of needs actually
have a compound need.
... process is as useful to consider as outcome
that may require some explicit definition. process has a very
broad and ambiguous use.
<Cyborg> what i was suggesting is that with multiple
disabilities, barriers can be greater than the sum of their
parts. and so by only looking at individual disabilities, we
can miss things.
kim: this may bias ability to score when the site is very
limited in scope
<Cyborg> also cognition is so complex in terms of needs - can
include so many different things
jeanne: we got interest in volunteering.
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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