Minutes of Silver TF F2F Day 1 - 12 December 2016

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https://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html


Text of Minutes:
    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                     Silver Task Force Teleconference

12 Dec 2016

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Meetings/FtF_Dec_2016

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Shawn_Lauriat, Sarah_Horton, Jeanne_Spellman,
           Michael_Cooper

    Regrets
    Chair
           Jeanne, Shawn

    Scribe
           jeanne, MichaelC, Lauriat

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]agenda discussion
          2. [6]Roles of stakeholders
          3. [7]I need guidelines for...
          4. [8]Roles for Stakeholder Map, Part 2
          5. [9]Follow-up from morning exercise
          6. [10]Recruiting: how many people, what outreach
          7. [11]Liaisons to other organizations
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
      * [13]Summary of Resolutions
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    <MichaelC> meeting: Silver FtF Day 1

    <jeanne> Trackbot, start meeting

    <trackbot> Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference

    <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2016

    <MichaelC> meeting: Silver FtF Day 1

agenda discussion

    <jeanne> Edits to the agenda are on the wiki <-
    [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Meetings/
    FtF_Dec_2016#Agenda

      [14] 
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Meetings/FtF_Dec_2016#Agenda

    <jeanne> Sarah: I would like to have 2 hours to do a RACI
    diagram: What Roles, Who is Accountable, Who do we need to
    Consult, who do we need to keep Informed.

    <jeanne> scribe: jeanne

    Sarah: Overview, identify roles, then map people to roles.
    ... start with an Activity
    ... make provisional personas for that role. Who the person is,
    why they need accessibility guidelines
    ... later on we will prioritize and group them
    ... created a stakeholder results form, with separate columns
    for the roles.

    SL: [reads list of stakeholders from the Design document. ]

    <Lauriat>
    [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Design_Pl
    an_for_Silver#Stakeholder_Map

      [15] 
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Design_Plan_for_Silver#Stakeholder_Map

    Michael: One of the things that the WCAG WG brings is the
    institutional memory. We need to be aware of the compromises
    made in the past.

    Jeanne: [reads the list of roles from the submission form]

Roles of stakeholders

    Person with Disability

    scribe: Sites are accessible
    ... find sites that are accessibile
    ... the standard exist

    DIsability organization

    scribe: inform the standards
    ... provides structure
    ... institutionailzed advocacy

    Thought leader in accessibility

    scribe: Where is the industry going?
    ... overlap with disability organization
    ... having the standard allows thought leader to build on the
    standard

    Influencer in disability

    scribe: floor for disabilities to build
    ... identify new technology with new disability needs
    ... identify new disabilities not covered by standards

    Accessibility Professional

    scribe: the standard by which you know you are doing what is
    needed
    ... may also be someone who works with people with disabilities

    Accessibility Developer/Designer

    scribe: point of reference for building software

    Accessibility specialist

    scribe: someone who works with people with disabilitities - day
    to day helpers or training helpers
    ... point of reference for how things should work
    ... report problems to vendors of software and assistive
    technology
    ... guidelines and sjupporting materials help them identify how
    to help their clients
    ... learning materials

    Researchers

    scribe: guidelines can be a topic of study
    ... use it as a measure in their research
    ... gap analysis of the guidelines as a topic of research
    ... could help prioritize research

    Instructors/Professors

    scribe: teaching coding - same as accessibility professionals
    ... working with people with disabilities, working from the
    other side
    ... point of reference
    ... curriculum basis

    Accessibility advisor or consultant-type role

    scribe: accessibility audit, gaps in process and development,
    knows accessibility needs and solutions.
    ... knows the guidelines, communicating about how the guideline
    applies to a specific situations
    ... gives perceived legitimacy and a framework for the
    communication

    QA Professional

    scribe: manual testing, writing test plans
    ... automation side writes the tooling and validate the tooling
    ... goal is that the product conforms to the guidelines and
    validating the product conforms

    Designers

    scribe: to design products that conform to guidelines
    ... understand constraints of guidelines
    ... must have creativity within the constraints of the
    guidelines
    ... guidelines provide a boundary
    ... the boundary cannot be a so small that it becomes a
    constraints.
    ... must have language in the guidelines that they can
    understand

    Developers

    scribe: using the guidelines to know how to write the software
    ... a specification book (for Designers, more than developers)
    ... must solve the problems even the designers overlooked.
    ... developer executes the design
    ... validating designs they get
    ... validating that what they have made is correct
    ... source of solutions of problems -- what is an accessible
    data picker?

    AWK: I'm worried about haviing so many different stakeholer
    groups. I think that we are making it less defined. I worry
    that we will not be able to map person-to-role mapping. I see 3
    different levels: person with disability, content developers,
    intermediaries

    Product Manager - the person who owns the product and has to
    make it successful

    scribe: more indirect: prioritization of whatever has to be
    done in their product
    ... use the guidelines to understand the issues that their
    product has to meet
    ... and understand the impact of their product lacks
    ... helps set and communicate expectations

    Product Manager

    Project Manager

    scribe: help designers understand scope
    ... help developers prioritize
    ... scoping, timeframes of what peeople want to do.

    Content providers, producers and editors

    scribe: similar to designers
    ... need to know boundaries within they can work
    ... depends on the type of content creators
    ... informs a style guide
    ... creative solutions to accessibility needs
    ... awareness

I need guidelines for...

    Researcher: For a thesis statement

    Influencer: to be creditble

    QA: Know what bugs to write

    Developer: Avoid creating bugs

    Instructor: have topics for my class

    Disability organization: Advocate toward a stable standard
    reference

    Person with a disability: Use technology

    Accessibility helper: understand how to do my job

    Accessibility/designer developer: tell people what to do

    Accessibility advisor consultant: tell people what to do.

    Designer: know what to do

    Product manager: Priorize adding new features

    Content: make accessible content

    Accessibility Influencers: be credible

    Disability Influencers: identify gaps

    Project manager: allocate time /wrangling

Roles for Stakeholder Map, Part 2

    Policymaker (govt)

    scribe: define the policies that others need to work against
    ... they need guidelines to set policy
    ... they need international guidelines for harmonization with
    other countries

    Policymaker (organization and corporations)

    scribe: internal policies match exteral (when applicable) or to
    meet customer needs and goals
    ... sometimes to demonstrate compliance
    ... risk limiting factor -- meeting the guidelines mitigate
    risk, even if all customer needs aren't met.

    Web browser and platform developer (extensions, ECHO platform,
    hardware input output, native apps)

    scribe: need standards to insure their platforms enable
    software to meet the standards
    ... platform itself needs to meet guidelines

    Assistive Technology developer

    scribe: follow their side of the guidelines so the AT works
    with conforming platforms and software
    ... capitalize on the guidelines -- build increased
    functionality that is based on the guidelines
    ... meet the needs of the audience with the specific disability
    they are addressing

    Authoring Tool Developers

    scribe: software needs to meet the guidelines so people with
    disabilities can use it
    ... create application, content and interactivity that is
    accessible
    ... the border between content creation and programming is
    blurring. It will be a challenge to Silver
    ... help you author accessible content and reduce the way to
    make inaccessible content

    Evaluation Tool Developers

    scribe: something to evaluate, test cases
    ... automatic and semi automatic tests, they need guidelines
    that are implementable to them.

    Lawyers

    scribe: communicate definitively
    ... define the terms of case settlements
    ... demonstrate non-compliance

    Accessibility Advocates

    scribe: educating people on need for accessibility
    ... persuading and validating a position

    Innovators (not necessarily accessibility related)

    scribe: when innovations are deployed, the guidelines address
    the requirements of those technologies

    Industry Association

    scribe: and Professional Associations
    ... certificationfor memebers - training and testing

    Creating Training Materials

    scribe: topics and explanation of concepts

    CTO - IT Managers

    scribe: prioritization
    ... compliance with standards
    ... establish accountability for compliance

    Call Center

    scribe: indirect. Need to know how it is implemented on the
    products they are responsible for.
    ... similar to the accessibility specialist

    Standards Organizations

    scribe: coordination with their own standards

    WCAG WG

    scribe: so the web will be more accessible
    ... to address all the needs of everyone else. The guidelines
    are the way the working uses to meet all those needs.
    ... standards that are reasonable with their jurisdictions
    ... harmonized with other juristictions
    ... useful and up to date (despite unpredictable timelines)

    <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

Follow-up from morning exercise

    sh: let's make sense of the roles

    what do they need

    what are they looking for

    what do we want from them

    what are their commonalities

    we want to prioritize them

    sl: group

    sh: I did abstractions for us to work with

    sl: group first

    will help with the following conceptualization

    based on the needs for the staeholders

    sh: so we have all the buckets

    for group

    e.g. if we´re interested in design decision types

    we might look at AT devs, PMs, designers

    <discussion of ways to group>

    sl: some groups might be technical, others not

    allows us to tailor surveys

    sh: I use accessibility guidelines to make policy

    * gov

    * org policy

    * disability orgs

    sh: I use accessibility guidelines to use policy

    * lawyers

    * disability orgs

    * a11y consultant

    sh: is there difference between make and use policy?

    sl: yes, though interactions similar

    sh: make design decisions

    js: (for content)

    * eval tool

    * authoring tool

    js: make content

    * project manager

    * product manager

    * developers

    * designers

    * QA

    * content producers

    * accessibility development / design

    * IT managers

    js: Standards orgs

    * standards developers

    * WCAG WG

    <scribe decides the moving around of post-it notes has exceeded
    the potential of linear scribing>

    sl: policy sometimes grouped into sub-categories sometimes not

    sh: is grouping not helpful?

    sl: it is but not 1:1

    sh: does it help us?

    e.g., researchers might go in multiple buckets

    sl: goal to come up with stakeholder gap with gaps identified
    and plan to fill the gaps

    sh: @@

    sl: @@

    sh: this grouping helps understand the roles

    mc: grouping make fewer types of roles we need to treat
    separately

    sh: I want the provisional personas

    put attributes on the roles so we can see the overlaps better

    sl: what do we accomplish by grouping?

    surveys and stakeholder interviews we´ll handle later

    sh: what roles critical to meet the goal of supporting PWD?

    sl: depends on which specific exercise we´re doing

    right now priority to identify gaps

    js: let´s look at how many people we have in the categories

    sl: easier for the ones we had in the survey

    note accessibility professionals is a big bucket

    greater flexibility is a big priority

    let´s look at roles that seem sparsely populated

    WGAG WG participants, standards orgs

    though WG easier to reach out to

    we have lots of people from a11y orgs

    though there may gaps in types we´ll want to fill in

    24 marked as policy makers

    sh: ask people to self-categorize?

    mc: we don´t want to make too much noise with these people

    sl: we probably need more in the lawyers category

    12 web browser developer

    73 web content developers

    9 AT developers

    think we need emphasis on diversity within this category as
    well

    e.g., no screen reader developer

    mc: that´s been a difficult group for us to reach

    <scribe> ACTION: jeanne to cast about for screen reader
    developer names [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action01]

      [16] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Cast about for screen reader
    developer names [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-19].

    sl: from some of the sparse categories, we could ask the people
    already in them for recommendations of others

    <scribe> ACTION: jeanne to ask Lainey for other lawyer names
    [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action02]

      [17] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Ask lainey for other lawyer
    names [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-19].

    sl: many of these are ¨know accessbility¨ types

    need to also explicitly try to reach ¨don´t know accessibility¨
    types

    js: AWK suggested alistapart outreach

    <scribe> ACTION: andrew to do outreach to alistapart for
    non-a11y people [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action03]

      [18] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Do outreach to alistapart for
    non-a11y people [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2016-12-19].

    mc: let´s be very deliberate on that type of public outreach

    sl: content orgs, want to get lots of very different types of
    content

    js: @@

    sl: games, lots of authoring tool overlap

    google docs

    audio interfaces

    <scribe> ACTION: jeanne to contact ian hamilton for game
    developer frameworks [recorded in
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action04]

      [19] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Contact ian hamilton for game
    developer frameworks [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-19].

    sl: need to brainstorm a list of content types we want to
    capture

    likewise on platforms, want diverse set of platforms

    don´t think we have mobile, VR right now

    mc: want to get vehicles, web of things

    js: Mike Elledge for former, Dave Raggett for latter

    Alan Bird may have connections as well

    mc: +1 to broad brainstorm here

    sl: also diversity in general within the groups

    international, types of org, etc.

    sh: what is platform?

    better word

    js: hardware, os, extension

    sl: everything between content and person except AT

    js: and maybe even that

    sl: sometimes

    mc: is this a sufficient grouping axis?

    sl: good for now

    just want to make sure we haven´t missed a group

    e.g., content creators we didn´t reach out for

    js: at least outside a11y community

    sl: which filtered our resuts

    sh: <summarizes the groups>

    sl: we need to expand people with disabilities

    <SarahHorton> Thank you :)

    mc: for disability categorization

    <SarahHorton> Here's a start on the roles and activites
    inventory:
    [20]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XK_evYulIaLsYOlMjuD
    OC763xWL2TOM9SvPjRX_d9ag/edit?usp=sharing

      [20] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XK_evYulIaLsYOlMjuDOC763xWL2TOM9SvPjRX_d9ag/edit?usp=sharing

    blind and visually impaired

    deaf and hearing impaired

    mobility impaired

    cognitive impaired

    learning disabilities

    and multiple disabilities which is often overlooked

    sl: deaf-blind

    <jeanne> JS: disabled veterans organizations

    sh: let´s fill in roles and activities

    <fiddling on the columns in the spreadsheet>

    <and filling in the cells, not scribed>

    <unofficial break>

    sl: some roles we won´t need to go into as much depth as others

    sh: today

    sl: forseeable future

    sh: what will future look like if future succeeds?

    js: significant step towards unicorns and rainbows

    easier for people to get information on making their products
    and services accessible

    sl: everybody can do what they´re trying to do more easily

    mc: people can get the info they need sooner to address a11y

    js: broaden what standards apply to

    mc: we´d all love a11y to come automatically without thought

    but Silver won´t make that happen

    we hope it takes us a step closer

    but don´t bite off an over-large scope

    sl: we want to make it easier for people to adapt to technology
    change

    and keep a11y

    right now we´re being aspirational

    but later we will need to narrow things down

    mc: WCAG 2 tried to be be-all and end-all

    for stability of policy

    led to heistance to change, even create supplementary guidance

    for silver we want to be able to react to technology change
    more quickly

    while remaining viewed as a useful and solid base for policy
    harmonization

    sl: @@
    ... think for stakeholder map we´ve gotten what we need out of
    today´s discussion

    have a starting point for goals, discussions

    for recruiting do we want to prioritize some of these roles for
    TF participation?

    mc: yes

    sh: how about that stack ranking thing?

    sl: not out of context of specific activities

    in specific tasks it will make sense to focus more on different
    groups

    we might do prioritization and group of surveys

    sh: are there roles that our work would fail if we don´t have
    people from that role?

    sl: some roles as needing to be involved in the full process
    rather than as needed?

    sh: yes

    mc: pwd critical

    policy people important for our history

    js: tool developers

    sl: can sort by responsibility, accountability, consult, inform

    <Lauriat> Scribe: Lauriat

Recruiting: how many people, what outreach

    Jeanne: Particularly looking at how many people, what
    specialties, that sort of thing.

    Michael: We should talk about the size of the TF.
    ... a lot of people feel the time expectation is high, which it
    is, so I want to reconfirm with you the size of the TF and
    other ways people can participate.
    ... How restrictive to want to be?
    ... Then talk about how do we want to go about with active
    recruiting.

    Jeanne: We want a larger circle. Research partners, people who
    contribute heavily, but aren't necessarily part of the TF.

    Sarah: Does it make sense to talk about the structure of the
    activity? It seems a bit up in the air.

    Michael: Part of why I wanted to talk about that after
    tomorrow's WG Call, as the charter will influence things.
    ... Maybe talk about how the group would account for things if
    the decision goes in either direction?

    Jeanne: I prefer to stay with WCAG, but the advantage of the CG
    is other people (researchers, etc.) would have different rules
    around IP, but we could also have a TF and a CG for
    researchers.
    ... We have a plan for how to move forward and get started, but
    the danger is CGs tend to have a high rate of failure without
    support TF have.

    Sarah: I don't really know a lot about the internal workings of
    the W3C. To pick up another point we had started before the
    break, I think we have some goals in the guidelines being more
    effective in producing accessible outcomes.
    ... We do have goals that mean that we will do this
    effectively. It helps a lot to have an autonomous group that's
    working on the project, because you're less likely to get
    sidetracked or bogged down by legacy stuff, and can focus on
    the attributes of the project you need to.

    Michael: I agree with that, but I'll argue for having a degree
    of contact with the WG helps, with validity of the work itself.
    ... A strong ongoing connection. We need a group that can move
    fast and do the work, but also have the WG bringing that memory
    and experience to inform the work.

    Sarah: Not advocating for one thing or another, since I don't
    know how these things work.

    Jeanne: For the next nine months, we won't have a lot of
    standards work going on, and we'll really need people who know
    research.
    ...  While we do the research, it'll attract more interest from
    people who know the standards work.

    Michael: To a certain extent, we can't control who joins the
    TF, but we can set expectations and manage things in a way that
    accounts for that. I want someone in the core group who can
    provide a bit of a slowdown in terms of perspective and
    catching things early so that we don't end up with something
    unusable for one case for whatever reason.

    Sarah: Someone has said he'd help with research, and managing
    it.

    Michael: We probably would want to work with the Research TF in
    order to form requests correctly to the outside world for
    research, and then they could do that on their own. They'd have
    their own timelines and quality requirements that may not match
    our own, though.
    ... That can be coordinated by the Research TF or by the CG.

    Sarah: If someone volunteered to help us with the diary
    studies, the self-reporting projects. Helping design the
    studies and evaluate the findings from it. That might end up
    being a document articulating the things we need to know.

    Michael: W3C probably couldn't publish the document, for
    reasons of copyright, but they could publish it and then we
    could reference, but CG could publish it and then it'd have W3C
    copyright.

    Sarah: To review, we sent out a request for research partners.
    ... People from that will expect a response from us after this
    week for how we can move forward with that.

    Michael: The group will need to publish the list of research
    requests, and the group will need to publish a timeline of
    these things.

    Jeanne: We've published the timeline, which does need refining.

    Michael: We have a core set of people, hopefully under W3C
    process. Talking about needing to interface with certain
    external groups, including managing the results and these
    interfaces.
    ... When things happen outside of W3C process, we'll need to
    come up with ways to work with them that don't introduce
    complications, like IP-related publishing issues.

    Sarah: If this person joined the TF, we'd need to get Andrew
    and Josh invite this person to join the WG?

    Michael: Yes.

    Sarah: If I, as an outside person, want to contribute for two
    years but not join the WG, how would that work?

    Michael: They'd need to communicate things via the public open
    channels.

    Sarah: Back to the question of recruiting, we want to focus on
    people committed to the WG over time and not someone looking to
    sign up for this one project.
    ...  In the CG path, it's a more fluid engagement, and can come
    and go depending on the work at hand. Do we need to figure out
    recruiting for each scenario (TF vs. CG)?

    Michael: Yes.

    Jeanne: Once we product a requirements document, we need to
    figure out what to do with that. If in the WG, it wouldn't be a
    major battle to get the work chartered to move forward.
    ... If a CG, we'll need to find a place to put the work. That
    may mean rechartering the WG, or creating a new one, which
    would create conflicts.

    Michael: A major risk: Silver is developed to be great by the
    people working on it, and the WG doesn't take it seriously.
    ... it could work as a CG, but it's a risk.
    ... A CG is technically independent. I would technically be
    prohibited from working with the CG.

    Jeanne: Web Platform has a CG, as one exception to that.

    Michael: Let's move forward with the assumption that the TF
    will happen. What do we want for that?
    ... Issues with the 8-hour per week time commitment, other ways
    to direct people to other channels?

    Sarah: One way to look at this is to look at the work of the
    TF, talk about the roles needed on the TF to execute it.
    ... It may be the case that people come and go from the TF,
    depending on the work.
    ... Maybe someone just comes in for the duration of the
    activity and then backs up again once we move to another phase.

    Jeanne: I was looking at it from the point of what does it take
    to work with the W3C. A group less than six isn't really
    viable.
    ...  I think we should try for eight. Manageable, nimble, and
    small, but could have the flexibility of something small.
    ...  What kind of persona do we need for the group? We have too
    many people from TPG on the group, and that will cause
    problems. We have someone from another place reaching out to
    join, which is great.
    ...  We have some people (including some research-focused)
    interested, but very put off by the 8-hour requirement.

    Michael: Thinking in terms of diversity of the TF.
    ...  Including having at least two disability groups
    represented.
    ...  We may want to think in terms of concentric circles, where
    the core puts in 8 hours, and then the next circle out puts in
    a bit less.

    Sarah: In the past when you've had a successful project, can
    you describe the personas of the core people involved?

    Michael: I think we need people who are organized, keep up on
    action items, plot their work effort into the future,
    technically skilled, able to express their opinion and accept
    other people's opinions.

    Sarah: These are attributes of a person, which is good. Any
    other experience, role-based types, maybe people involved in
    policy for example?

    Michael: Well, people with disabilities are a must.

    Sarah: PhD?

    Jeanne: Certainly not on the TF.

    Sarah: Jeanne, you mentioned where people work. (Oh!
    International.) How important are you seeing that?

    Michael: A little more fluid. If half the TF comes from one
    company, that'll raise questions.

    Sarah: I like the idea of concentric circles, bringing certain
    people into the core for periods of time.
    ...  Should we reach out to specific individuals?

    Michael: Thinking of specifically two levels of collaboration,
    the core group and an outer group.
    ... We'll update the work statement to say that the core group
    will put in an expected 8 hours per week and then have other
    contributors, but we don't need to explicitly say that they
    aren't in a core circle.

    Sarah: We got a lot of people in the stakeholder responses who
    want to take part in Silver.

    Michael: Do we want to just set up a CG now in order to get
    more participation and interest?

    Sarah: I like that idea, because we really need to get people
    involved and bring them along. It allows us to do some of these
    activities that seem confining within the context of the WG
    (like the research) that we could do in the CG.
    ...  Having a group around that activity gives it a bit more
    formality and credibility.

    Michael: We can set up a mailing list, a wiki, things like
    that.

    Andrew: Thinking about the community group aspect, I feel like
    it's going to be hard to characterize our current state without
    people pointing out that that's what incubation is.
    ...  We know that there's tight connection that we'll need to
    have between Silver and the WG.

    Michael: Maybe plan A will be that we don't talk about the
    supplementary CG idea yet, and just go ahead with the proposal
    for the TF.

    Jeanne: We won't be successful unless we continue with the WG.

    Sarah: Yeah.

    Michael: We can be thinking it might happen, but don't have to
    propose it just yet.

    <scribe> ACTION: Michael Update work statement to reflect
    updated work expectations. [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action05]

      [21] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Update work statement to reflect
    updated work expectations. [on Michael Cooper - due
    2016-12-19].

    Sarah: If you want names of people, let me know. Not-your-usual
    suspects kind of people.

    Michael: With this, knowledge of W3C is kind of important.

Liaisons to other organizations

    Michael: I want to cover strategy for liaising with these
    organizations, and what organizations we want to liaise with.
    ... We want to avoid misunderstandings about expectations and
    such.

    Sarah: Liaising with other standards organizations to let them
    know about what we're doing?

    Michael: At least that.
    ...  We want to really not be prohibited from doing this work,
    but still remain sensitive to their needs.

    trackbot, make meeting

    <trackbot> Sorry, Lauriat, I don't understand 'trackbot, make
    meeting'. Please refer to
    <[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

      [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

    trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: andrew to do outreach to alistapart for non-a11y
    people [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: jeanne to ask Lainey for other lawyer names
    [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: jeanne to cast about for screen reader developer
    names [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: jeanne to contact ian hamilton for game developer
    frameworks [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: Michael Update work statement to reflect updated
    work expectations. [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action05]

      [23] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action03
      [24] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action02
      [25] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action01
      [26] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action04
      [27] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-silver-minutes.html#action05

Summary of Resolutions

    [End of minutes]
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Received on Monday, 12 December 2016 21:57:27 UTC