Re: [Timely] Accessibility vs validation on WCAG 3

The <details> elements don't have ids, we can decide if they should. But 
if you look at the intro one of the very first elements is the summary, 
with no role attribute in this version:

https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/pubrules_2021-06/Overview.html#introduction

The "rating" tables also don't have ids, but if you look at any 
guideline you should quickly find a <details> whose <summary> begins 
with "Rating for". The table inside has a caption that begins with 
"Rating scale for", but no summary attribute.

Note to everyone else, images and css isn't loading well in this branch, 
it's because it's a very temp branch so I didn't set everything up, so 
you can ignore those.

Michael

On 04/06/2021 9:53 a.m., Janina Sajka wrote:
> Michael:
>
> I think I owe you an eval on the efficacy of role on Details, certainly
> prior to any issue on HTML.
>
> Is there a specific id href I should look at that you have handy? To
> spare me grepping through the source?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Janina
>
> Michael Cooper writes:
>> I have to remind everyone that our previous publication of WCAG 3 had HTML
>> validation errors for which we were granted a one-time exception to be
>> allowed to publish. We set role="region" on the <details> element to get it
>> identified as separate content, but HTML doesn't allow that (there may be an
>> issue to file on HTML). I also have the script putting in a "end of
>> <whatever>" at the bottom of each <details>, so it may meet the need. We
>> also used @summary on <table> to provide a more contextualized title for it
>> for text users, but HTML no longer allows that.
>>
>> I am open to statements of "this feature is essential notwithstanding being
>> non-valid HTML, because no other feature accomplishes the goal", or
>> alternate proposals for how to meet the needs in valid HTML. If I don't get
>> a clear answer before publication, my edits will be to:
>>
>>   * Remove @role on <details>
>>   * Convert @summary to <caption> and use CSS to hide from visible screen
>>
>> Michael
>>