- From: <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:08:38 -0700
- To: "Leo Sauermann" <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
- Cc: public-semweb-ui@w3.org
Leo, thanks for your reply > Its hard for me to enter the discussion - please use URIs while you talk > some terms mentioned don't ring a tone... > sorry - which terms? I thought I spelled everything out, please tell me which terms need pointing maybe the url of the wiki? http://swuiwiki.webscience.org/index.php/Main_Page > also, I ask critically: > * where is your current publicly-editable state-of-the-art collection? * > I like the idea of a collection of state-of-the-art, and will contribute, > but only if I can edit myself and am sure that the state-of-the-art will be > there the next years in public domain. I think the current wiki can be edited by anyone - I got a password to I think - also, we can cross link, as long as we can point to somewhere which exists (!) > The place where I am sure that it will remain open, and which is already the > place where all other discussions about the Semantic Web happen, is the ESW > wiki. > I added a page here for you: > http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebUsability thanks a lot, why not, i ll add the linx > > Dan Brikley will probably also agree to write there, he is kind-of-attached > to that wiki anyway. > > About the actual topic of discussion: > > I would propose to ignore 3) becauswe i18n is interesting, but given the > infant stage of semantic web, the assumption that the baby can already speak > multiple languages is ambitious. I am interested in all views, and I dont mind if you think that 3 should be ignored HOWEVER' you can tech a baby to be ethnocentric, or you can teach the baby conceptual pluralism before he starts to talk it's tough either way being a parent, I guess > > Rather, take exsiting tools and compare them against the vision - > can your grandma find a doctor in her neighbourhood that will accept her > Health Insurance and treat her illness? that probably depends on where my granma lives, what language she speaks, and how intutivie is the web/browser technology I rest my case on your own example > (This was the guiding example of "The Semantic Web", 2001, Timbl et al) > so - can facetted browisng help? > can xy help? I am sure there are a variety of approaches to solving a problem..... > > etc. > > best > Leo > > I would also humbly suggest to look at the usability concerns that are > addressed in KDE 4.0, which has an RDF based metadata layer. > In our NEPOMUK project we are currently working on the biggest deployment of > Semantic Web technology (especially RDF) ever, reaching half of all linux > users... much usability to study there. > > > > It was paola.dimaio@gmail.com who said at the right time 02.09.2008 16:32 > the following words: > > Thanks, Andreas > Just finished watching it, and have embedded it in our pages > > Why dont you make a video on faceted browsing if you have work done in > that area? > > Questions (assume AB is on this list still, but anyone can answer) and > some thoughts tha come to mind, > > 1. is there a relationship between NLReduce and CE (controlled English) > 2. assuming that these tools being discussed work with unstructured > information (not published on the web in rdf/owl) - does that show > that 'reasoning' can be done by the tool, not requiring the content to > be expressed in owl/rdf? > 2a. if so, can these tools be used to create ontologies, if they > provided a functionality that allows users to add, say, axioms and or > translate the NL process into some level of formalised logic? > (I am referring to querix, for example, which allows users to select > statements such as biggest city by population vs biggest by area - if > expert users could interact with a tool, by browsing the web or > selected knowledge bases? - can an ontology be inferred using > the reasoning of an expert user if the tool is set up to capture the > inferences and match them against existing ontologies/KBases? > (I am thinking how can an ontology be captured/expressed without using > rdf/owl) > > 3. should we carry out this study (or similar ones) with interfaces > in different languages, and in different countries, and see if the > results are comparable? (this would come under the scope of our > current interest with the global perspective) > > > I have got more questions but they are still scrambled in my mind > > PDM > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Andreas Harth <andreas.harth@deri.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > there's been a recent TechTalk from Abraham Bernstein > comparing four user interaction styles for Semantic Web > data [1]. Unfortunately, faceted browsing is not covered. > > Regards, > Andreas. > > [1] > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7722731037369115140&ei=jzW9SMHJFof2iQLXxpHcDA&q=abraham+bernstein&vt=lf > > > > paola.dimaio@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hi Dan > thanks for reply > sorry the scope of my q is not obvious (tunnel vision from my end) > > Semantic Web Usability state of the art > Basically from what I see, it is an issue - there is this list, > there have been events like the recent workshop in Florence, people > are paying attention to usability, but - correct me if I am wrong - > it is still notional, in the sense that there are no 'guidelines' , > and to some extent usability of semantic technologies is still not > 'defined', nor there are methodologies to help developers face the > challenges etc > > is it correct? can we say that the BOK in this domain is more or less > what is on the wiki that Max is migrating to semantic wiki? > is there a write up anywhere that we can consider reasonably complete? > > I am asking all this, cause I am writing a paper for our forthcoming > workshop, and would like to start with a 'state of the art' paragraph, > and hoping to find something (that I can agree with) to point to as > reference. > > Hope its reasonably unpacked question > cheers > P > > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote: > > > > paola.dimaio@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Greetings all > > is the a a SWUI state of the art summary anywhere? (hoping I dont have > to write it myself) :-) > > > > Can you describe what the art is that you'd like summarised? > > cheers, > > Dan > > ps. I'd consider http://mqlx.com/~david/parallax/ pretty SOTA w.r.t. UI > for > RDFish data > > > > > > > -- > http://swse.deri.org/ > > > > > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > DI Leo Sauermann http://www.dfki.de/~sauermann > > Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer > Kuenstliche Intelligenz DFKI GmbH > Trippstadter Strasse 122 > P.O. Box 2080 Fon: +49 631 20575-116 > D-67663 Kaiserslautern Fax: +49 631 20575-102 > Germany Mail: leo.sauermann@dfki.de > > Geschaeftsfuehrung: > Prof.Dr.Dr.h.c.mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender) > Dr. Walter Olthoff > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: > Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes > Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313 > ____________________________________________________ > -- Paola Di Maio School of IT www.mfu.ac.th *********************************************
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