- From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:10:12 -0500
- To: Tim.Williams@ucb.com, its@lists.HL7.org, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
- CC: cnanjo@cognitivemedicine.com, eric@w3.org
Excellent! Thanks for the synopsis, and I'm glad you are able to contribute. David On 11/19/2014 08:07 AM, Tim.Williams@ucb.com wrote: > David, > > Thank you for the minutes and sorry I could not attend this week. > > I am a member of one of the PhUSE working groups mentioned by > Kerstin. This is our somewhat outdated Wiki page: > http://www.phusewiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Analysis_Results_Model > > We recently adopted the RDF Data Cube as our model and are working on > an R package for data conversion. We are already using the SDTM as > RDF to form code lists for our cube. Our current focus is on > conversion of Demographics and AE data, then expanding to other > domains. It was a member of our group that recently presented to > CDISC. > > I am also a member of the newly-formed PhUSE working group that is > coordinating the end-to-end connectivity for the outputs from our > various PhUSE Semantic Web Technology efforts. > > The PhUSE CSS conference will take place in March in Silver Spring > Maryland where there is an increasing focus on SW tech. > http://www.phuse.eu/css.aspx > > All of this is just for an FYI. I am on vacation next week and may > not be able to make the next meeting, though I look forward to > future participation > > Best Regards, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- From: David Booth > [mailto:david@dbooth.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:52 PM > To: its@lists.hl7.org; w3c semweb HCLS Cc: Claude Nanjo; Eric > Prud'hommeaux Subject: Re: Proposed agenda for Nov 18 HL7 ITS RDF / > W3C HCLS COI call > > Draft minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html > and in plain text below. > > --------------------------------------------------------- [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS > > 18 Nov 2014 > > See also: [2]IRC log > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-irc > > Attendees > > Present Brian_Pech, Bryn_Rhodes, David_Booth, EricPrud'hommeaux, > Ingeborg, Joshua_Phillips, Kerstin_Forsberg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, > Paul_Knapp, Rob_Hausam, Tony_Mallia, Daniel_Karlsson, Vassil > > Regrets Chair David Booth (and Paul Knapp) > > Scribe ericP > > Contents > > * [3]Topics 1. [4]Minutes 2. [5]previous minutes 3. [6]Logistics 4. > [7]Followup on last week's discussion with Mark Musen 5. [8]Proposed > work items 6. [9]FHIR ontology 7. [10]ICD-11 and SNOMED 8. > [11]Bridging VA, Intermountain and other models 9. [12]Issue > tracking 10. [13]Use Cases 11. [14]PhUSE-FDA project (formerly > CDISC2RDF) 12. [15]C-CDA RDF representations 13. [16]High-level > concept mapping to RDF (AR typeCodes, etc.) 14. [17]Other work > proposed work items * [18]Summary of Action Items > __________________________________________________________ > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Hi every one this is Marc Twagirumukiza from > Agfa Healthcare > > Minutes > > <dbooth> > [19]http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda# > Agenda > > [19] > http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda#Agenda > > <dbooth> ITS page: [20]http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_WG > > [20] http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_WG > > <dbooth> RDF subgroup: > [21]http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda# > Agenda > > [21] > http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda#Agenda > > <dbooth> Meeting minutes: > [22]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes > > previous minutes > > <scribe> scribenick: ericP > > pknapp: PROPOSED to accept > [23]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes as a record of the last > meeting > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes > > Logistics > > APPROVED: accept [24]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes as a > record of the last meeting > > [24] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes > > (unanimous) > > dbooth: two wiki choices or this HL7/W3C joint work ... which shall > we use for administative stuff? ... other work, e.g. FHIR ontology, > can be on another wiki > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> I support HL7 wiki as well > > dbooth: but for the admin stuff i propose that HL7 host the > adminstrative wiki > > PROPOSED use the HL7 wiki as the administrative wiki > > APPROVED: use the HL7 wiki as the administrative wiki > > (unanimous) > > -> [25]https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteropera > bility COI Task Force > > [25] > https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability > > ericP > > Followup on last week's discussion with Mark Musen > > ericP: note the tech topics, e.g. FDA therapeutic areas, terminfo, > etc. > > <dbooth> The recording: > [26]https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d7a9bb6ppqgo9xn/AAApWheLsxRSyEKF > a0Kr4qNna?dl=0 > > [26] > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d7a9bb6ppqgo9xn/AAApWheLsxRSyEKFa0Kr4qNna?dl=0 > > dbooth: any followup on Mark's presentation? > > <dbooth> Rough notes: [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-hcls-minutes > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-hcls-minutes > > Tony: following up with MarkM on the details hidden by the ICAT > interface. > > <dbooth> ACTION: Tony to find out more details about how iCat handles > ICD-11 ont and report back [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action01] > > <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to point out the snomed examples in the FDA > TA work > > -> [29]https://www.w3.org/wiki/File:Snomedct_extract_descriptive.t tl > SNOMED example > > [29] https://www.w3.org/wiki/File:Snomedct_extract_descriptive.ttl > > <dbooth> Eric: If you're digging into this, here's an example of > SNOMED that I took, and found all of the examples of everything that > they said about it -- level in the cell, test results, in range, out > of range. All the entities that SNOMED teases apart. It would be > great to take the same slice of ICD-11 > > <daniel> There is a new way of representing lab in SNOMED CT as of > recently > > <dbooth> ... Not a legit SNOMED extraction though, because I changed > the nubmers to human readable URLs. > > Tony: i've got the 110M SNOMED snapshot from earlier this year. > > <dbooth> David: Might be a good use case! > > ericP: you shouldn't have to dig back into the 110M 'cause i already > did that > > Tony: still waiting for access details from MarcM ... I've been > looking at the bits that i've already dug into, e.g. allergies to bee > stings > > <daniel> Here's an alpha version of new lab content > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> ...just to disambiguate it's Mark > > <daniel> Daniel Karlsson > > <daniel> [30]https://csfe.aceworkspace.net/sf/go/doc10215?nav=1 > > [30] https://csfe.aceworkspace.net/sf/go/doc10215?nav=1 > > daniel: there's a new style for SNOMED > > Tony: is there a style guide you can point to? ... once we dig down > into the details of the ontologies, you're sucked in for 2 years > > <daniel> daniel.karlsson@liu.se > > Proposed work items > > dbooth: we have lots of potential work items and limited resources > ... we can persue multiple things but it will depend on the > individual champions. > > FHIR ontology > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> I would volunteer in the FHIR ontology, --- just > as related work to what we did for SALUS project > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> > [31]http://www.srdc.com.tr/projects/salus/blog/?p=342 > > [31] http://www.srdc.com.tr/projects/salus/blog/?p=342 > > dbooth: claude nanjo and ericP have worked on this. we should > schedule reviews > > Tony: we discussed this in the HCLS COI call ... the issues were what > models for what use cases and how to build the ontology > > dbooth: on one end of the spectrum there's "what ontology facilitates > machine transformation" ... on the other, "what ontology facilitates > humen understanding" > > Tony: there's also which supports SemWeb inference ... we may want to > bring these together or maybe not > > Marc_Twagirumukiza: reusable graphs need to be human-readable, > machine-readable, etc. ... we did this for SALUS, "entities" were RDF > graphs at the domain level. we could map it to other data. ... so > hoping to contribute to this task > > <dbooth> Eric: I can present what Josh and I did. > > dbooth: so you're stressing the convergence > > <dbooth> Claude's work attempted to be more human friendly. > > ericP: i can present the stuff that Josh and I did > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Actually what can help there is not to 'just' > ontologyze FHIR but to build up a partitioned reusable domain RDF > graphs from the complexe information model > > <Marc_Twagirumukiza> those will be a key for converging and mapping > as well > > dbooth: claude did an ontology as well > > Tony: i can present what i did at VA > > <dbooth> ACTION: Tony and Eric to work with each other and Claude to > prepare comparison of FHIR ontology approaches [recorded in > [32]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action02] > > <dbooth> My view is that the *most* important is an ontology that > works well for machine processing -- instance data translation, > inference, etc. That needs to be the basis. Then making it more human > friendly -- or conceptually understandable -- would be nice to have. > > dbooth: priority should be machine processing > > Tony: agree. "reasoner-friendly" ... something we can use with > existing tools > > ICD-11 and SNOMED > > dbooth: we discussed this earlier. > > Bridging VA, Intermountain and other models > > Tony: depends on what MarkM can give me. i have no access to the > bits. > > <dbooth> David: Not a current work project. Create a wiki page for > project ideas backlog? > > dbooth: maybe we should create a backlog page > > Tony: rep from VA would be rafael (not on this call) > > Marc_Twagirumukiza: sometimes the backlog becomes a brainstorming > place with no followup. > > <dbooth> ACTION: David to create a wiki page for backlog [recorded > in [33]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action03] > > Marc_Twagirumukiza: but very necessary, also needs an issue tracker > > Issue tracking > > <dbooth> Eric: W3C Tracker is integrated with IRC > > ericP: we can start with tracker, which will work with IRC and > public-semweb-lifesci > > Use Cases > > <dbooth> ACTION: ericP to send pointers to existing wiki pages > [recorded in > [34]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] > > [34] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01] > > <dbooth> (Eric already pointed to the W3C COI page) > > dbooth: what use cases with what goals? > > <dbooth> Eric: Migration of CCDA to FHIR > > <dbooth> Eric: Utility on FHIR RDF that would motivate mapping of > FHIR XML to FHIR RDF > > dbooth: need different levels of use cases ... need one simple enough > for a slide, e.g. BP ... it would be nice if they could be used > across different purposes. > > PhUSE-FDA project (formerly CDISC2RDF) > > Kerstin_Forsberg: know the CDISC2RDF. can work on this. > > Ingeborg: i know SDTM quite well > > <Kerstin_Forsberg> kerstin.l.forsberg@astrazeneca.com > > <Ingeborg> ingeborgholt@gmail.com > > <dbooth> ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future > state ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in > [35]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05] > > <dbooth> Kerstin and Ingeborg have volunteered to champion the > PhUSE-FDA work. > > ericP: our use cases for FDA-TA were to: ... .. make different > studies in the same therapeutic area compatible for safety and > efficacy analysis ... .. make e.g. drugs in differnt TAs comparable > for safety signals > > C-CDA RDF representations > > <dbooth> ACTION: Eric to establish/make a wiki page for C-CDA RDF > representations work [recorded in > [36]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06] > > dbooth: ericP is champion > > Joshua_Phillips: i'd like to work on this. > > <dbooth> ACTION: Eric and Joshua to report on C-CDA RDF > representations work plan [recorded in > [37]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07] > > High-level concept mapping to RDF (AR typeCodes, etc.) > > Tony: this is kind of light-weight. ... "how do you represent the > terminology?" ... from the top down, identify topics, e.g. transport > mechanisms > > <Kerstin_Forsberg> FDA/PhUSE Semantic technology project's first > delivery was "just" to represenet existing CDISC foundational > standards in RDF. Not representing the actual clinical trial data > (e.g. blood pressure). Hwoever, they are moving beyond that and I > know there was a presentation from FRDA at CDISC Interchannge > conference last week on representing CDASH (raw data such as blood > pressure) in RDF. > > Tony: it's a style guide. a set of patterns. > > -> [38]https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteropera > bility/TerminologyExpressivity high-level terminology approaches > > [38] > https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/TerminologyExpressivity > > <Kerstin_Forsberg> There is also a FDA/PhUSE subproject to > reperesent analysis results data, e.g. avg. blood pressure for > propulation reported in a study report > > dbooth: if there's already a wiki, use it. > > <dbooth> David: I would caution that there can be so many different > views on high level models, adoption/use would have to be voluntary. > I would worry about being perceived as telling people how that they > MUST do things. But best practices recommendations sound great. > > -> [39]https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteropera > bility/FDATherapeuticAreaOntologies#Coding_specificity terminology > coding example > > [39] > https://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/FDATherapeuticAreaOntologies#Coding_specificity > > Tony: i'll list the topics. some may be black holes > > RobHausam_: i'm interested. > > <dbooth> Rob Hausam > > <dbooth> ACTION: Tony and Rob to report their plan on High-level > concept mapping to RDF work [recorded in > [40]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action08] > > Other work proposed work items > > RobHausam_: want to look at the interface between terminology and > infor model > > <dbooth> Rob: Propose Term info work > > <dbooth> Eric: Charlie Mead and I created a wiki page on that > > <daniel> I'm in > > <dbooth> ACTION: Tony and all to decide on a wiki for Term Info work > [recorded in > [41]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action09] > > <dbooth> ADJOURNED > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: David to create a wiki page for backlog [recorded in > [42]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] > ACTION: Eric and Joshua to report on C-CDA RDF representations work > plan [recorded in > [43]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] > ACTION: Eric to establish/make a wiki page for C-CDA RDF > representations work [recorded in > [44]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] > ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future state > ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in > [45]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] > ACTION: Tony and all to decide on a wiki for Term Info work [recorded > in [46]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] > ACTION: Tony and Eric to work with each other and Claude to prepare > comparison of FHIR ontology approaches [recorded in > [47]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] > ACTION: Tony and Rob to report their plan on High-level concept > mapping to RDF work [recorded in > [48]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] > ACTION: Tony to find out more details about how iCat handles ICD-11 > ont and report back [recorded in > [49]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action01] > > [DONE] ACTION: ericP to send pointers to existing wiki pages > [recorded in > [50]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01] > > [50] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01 > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [51]scribe.perl version 1.140 > ([52]CVS log) $Date: 2014-11-18 17:10:56 $ > __________________________________________________________ > > [51] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [52] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > Scribe.perl diagnostic output > > [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is > scribe.perl Revision: 1.140 of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30 Check for > newer version at [53]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ > scribe/ > > [53] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ > > Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) > > Succeeded: s/inference/transformation/ Succeeded: s/issue track/issue > tracker/ Found ScribeNick: ericP Inferring Scribes: ericP Default > Present: DBooth, EricP, +1.604.250.aaaa, +1.678.999.aabb, +1.202 > .528.aadd, PaulKnapp, +1.703.983.aaee, Marc_Twagirumukiza, BrianPech, > Jo shua_Phillips, +1.801.368.aaff, BrynRhodes, +1.978.794.aagg, > +1.608.310. aahh, Tony, Vassil, +1.801.949.aaii, Kerstin_Forsberg > Present: Brian_Pech Bryn_Rhodes David_Booth EricPrud'hommeaux > Ingeborg J oshua_Phillips Kerstin_Forsberg Marc_Twagirumukiza > Paul_Knapp Rob_Hausam Tony_Mallia Daniel_Karlsson Vassil Got date > from IRC log name: 18 Nov 2014 Guessing minutes URL: > [54]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html People with action > items: all david eric ingeborg joshua kerstin rob ton y > > [54] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html > > > [End of [55]scribe.perl diagnostic output] > > [55] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:12 PM, David Booth wrote: >> Proposed agenda for tomorrow (Tuesday): >> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda >> >> Logistics: Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone Zakim >> (W3C teleconference bridge). 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