Re: linking a symbol with a dataset

Hi,

I'm not quite sure that any of the constituents of a triple is a member of
the data set (the triple certainly is).
Let me give a parable. "Mick Jagger is part of the Rolling Stones. Mick's
thumb is part of Mick Jagger." Is Mick's thumb part of the Rolling Stones?

Cheers

On 9 December 2014 at 23:36, <snachimuthu@mmm.com> wrote:

> We use "has member" to relate arbitrary groups and their members. Our
> implementation is for binary relationships in a relational database, and so
> this should work for RDF too.
>
> Senthil.
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> From:        Vladimir Mironov <vladimir.n.mironov@gmail.com>
> To:        Michel Dumontier <michel.dumontier@gmail.com>
> Cc:        w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
> Date:        12/09/2014 03:20 PM
> Subject:        Re: linking a symbol with a dataset
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>
> Hi Michel,
>
> as everybody knows, atomic means 'indivisible'. In the world of Nature, of
> course, there is nothing atomic.
> However, in the world of RDF subject, predicate, and object are atomic -
> there are no other concepts these three could be subdivided into.
> I haven't seen such a property so far in vocabularies, I proposed it
> because  you guys could not find anything suitable for the task.
> I feel it serves the purpose and nothing may prevent you from introducing
> a new property in want of appropriate ones. This one should be, of course,
> a subProperty of 'partOf'.
>
> Cheers
>
> On 9 December 2014 at 19:36, Michel Dumontier <
> *michel.dumontier@gmail.com* <michel.dumontier@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Vladimir,
>   Can  you elaborate with a definition for 'isAtomicPartOf'?  Is this
> already defined in a vocabulary?
>
> m.
> Michel Dumontier
> Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford
> University
> Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest
> Group
> *http://dumontierlab.com* <http://dumontierlab.com/>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Vladimir Mironov
> <*vladimir.n.mironov@gmail.com* <vladimir.n.mironov@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > how about 'isAtomicPartOf'?
> >
> > Vladimir
> >
> > On 8 December 2014 at 18:04, Michel Dumontier <
> *michel.dumontier@gmail.com* <michel.dumontier@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>   On the call today we discussed the issue [1] of linking a symbol in
> >> a triple (e.g. a subject, a predicate, *or* an object) to a dataset.
> >> The use case for this is twofold : to provide a direct link between
> >> data items and their datasets in a Linked Data manner, and to survey
> >> the use of data items across datasets. While we agreed that using a
> >> relation such as dc:isPartOf is fairly natural to link the triple
> >> itself to the dataset, it is much less clear for linking the
> >> components to the dataset. In Bio2RDF we used void:inDataset, but the
> >> domain of this relation is a foaf:Document, so it muddies the
> >> semantics by entailing a possible disjoint type with whatever the
> >> subject has been typed with (e.g. protein, disease, etc).
> >>
> >> We discussed the suitability of existing vocabularies, but none, to
> >> our knowledge, clearly fit the situation. For instance, can
> >> dc:isPartOf (*http://purl.org/dc/terms/isPartOf*
> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/isPartOf>) be used as a logical
> >> partition of the dataset with the data item? or is SIO's refers to
> >> (*http://semanticscience.org/resource/refers-to*
> <http://semanticscience.org/resource/refers-to>) potential suitable, if
> >> not somewhat vague?
> >>
> >> We welcome your thoughts on the matter. Do you know of a suitable
> >> relation? Should we consider some new relation such as utilizes /
> >> is-utilized-in or is-data-item-in / has-data-item?
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> m.
> >>
> >> [1] *https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/issues/90*
> <https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/issues/90>
> >>
> >> Michel Dumontier
> >> Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford
> >> University
> >> Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest
> >> Group
> >> *http://dumontierlab.com* <http://dumontierlab.com/>
> >>
> >
>
>