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Re: An HL7 RIM navigation language based on SPARQL?

From: Jerven Bolleman <me@jerven.eu>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:37:50 +0200
Message-ID: <CAHM_hUN76syGdL0THY6iU3tq7SJUGoPt9F=xgEC4CXorTEX4sg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Peter.Hendler@kp.org
Cc: meadch@mail.nih.gov, eric@w3.org, helena.deus@deri.org, kerstin.l.forsberg@gmail.com, LINMD.SIMON@mcrf.mfldclin.edu, mscottmarshall@gmail.com, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, ratnesh.sahay@deri.org
Hi All,

Is SPARQL to difficult to teach to clinicians? I personally think its not.
What is difficult to explain is the data model (especially a HL7 compatible

Explaining a simple select once they understand triples is easy.

I love_my work = simple sentence = subject predicate object
<ch.linkedin.com/in/jervenbolleman> <
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/love> <http://beta.sparql.uniprot.org>
= replace words by uri's

<ch.linkedin.com/in/jervenbolleman> <
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/love> ?thingHeLoves = uri's by a
variable starting with a ?

Wrap in select

      <ch.linkedin.com/in/jervenbolleman> <
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/love> ?thingHeLoves

This basic concept is easily explainable in an afternoon. You will need at
least as much time to introduce any DSL as well.
The problem remains the HL7 data model. If you can explain that to anyone
in an afternoon you are my hero ;) and your DSL will need to fight that as
well. In which case it would be better to spend you time rewriting the HL7
data model into something that matches a clinicians model of his world. You
would need reasoning and/or rules to do so.

The benefit of sparql will be the capability to work with excell and or tab
delimited files that the clinician already has. Using for example bio-table
and the SPARQL 1.1. service keyword.


PS. I couldn't find an URI to identify my wife so had to fudge the example
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:15 PM, <Peter.Hendler@kp.org> wrote:

> Mainly for Charlie and Eric but anyone who knows RIM.
> There has been talk off and on for ever about a Domain Specific Language
> for navigating RIM like graphs of data.  Seems to me SPARQL can already do
> that.
> But SPARQL is too much to teach clinicians.  So you could have a RIM
> specific DSL that is like a RIMQL.  It could be nothing more than a thin
> layer on top of SPARQL.
> The clinician writes a RIMQL query, and it turns into SPARQL.  There's no
> reason you couldn't do that with HL7 FHIR either.
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