Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org

Dear all,

I think these details are relevant for reasoning about patient data et 
cetera., but the documentation of schema.org and the proposed medical 
extensions make it very clear that they are not intended for such tasks. I 
think that the issues highlighted here are not highly relevant for basic 
entity annotation and capturing basic statements used for improved retrieval 
of information on the web -- as intended by the people driving these 
projects. Let's try not to scare them away! :-)

I made some progress with mapping the schema.org extensions to some Linked 
Open Drug Data classes and properties, but have to pause this work for the 
rest of the week because of teaching duties. I will try to publish a first 
draft next week.

 - Matthias



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From: "Stuart Turner" <turner.stuart@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:55 PM
To: "Luciano, Joanne S." <luciaj2@rpi.edu>
Cc: "Solbrig, Harold R." <Solbrig.Harold@mayo.edu>; "R. Cornet" 
<r.cornet@amc.uva.nl>; "Michel Dumontier" <michel.dumontier@gmail.com>; 
"Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D." <Freimuth.Robert@mayo.edu>; "Jim McCusker" 
<james.mccusker@yale.edu>; "Aaron Brown" <abbrown@google.com>; "Dan 
Brickley" <danbri@danbri.org>; "Renato Iannella" <ri@semanticidentity.com>; 
"Lin MD, Simon" <LINMD.SIMON@mcrf.mfldclin.edu>; "Matthias Samwald" 
<matthias.samwald@meduniwien.ac.at>; <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
Subject: Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical 
extensions to schema.org

> A patient (human or non-human) continues to be a patient after their 
> death. Medical procedures continue (e.g. autopsy/necropsy). Medical 
> records are revised and persisted naturally, and by law. A death 
> certificate is issued. And so on. HL7 modeling isn't ideal for guidance 
> here, especially when referring to patients of the non-human variety :)
>
> ~ Stuart
> -----------------------------
> Stuart Turner, DVM, MS
> Biomedical Informaticist | Principal, Leafpath Informatics, LLC
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>
>
> On May 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Luciano, Joanne S. wrote:
>
>> Do they? The body does. The memory doesn't, in digital space:
>>
>> What happens to their data?
>> Does their data disappear? Their medical record?
>> They "were" a patient.  Not sure what that means - maybe we need, in 
>> addition to is_a   a new class was_a   (for the has beens).
>>
>> some things to muse about.
>>
>> joanne
>>
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>> On May 23, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Solbrig, Harold R. wrote:
>>
>>> Although, if the patient dies, the person goes away as well, no?  ;-)
>>>
>>> From: public-semweb-lifesci-request@listhub.w3.org 
>>> [mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-request@listhub.w3.org] On Behalf Of R. 
>>> Cornet
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:26 PM
>>> To: Michel Dumontier; Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D.
>>> Cc: Jim McCusker; Aaron Brown; Dan Brickley; Renato Iannella; Lin MD, 
>>> Simon; Matthias Samwald; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
>>> Subject: RE: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & 
>>> medical extensions to schema.org
>>>
>>> I would say that if you follow ontoclean, being a patient is a non-rigid 
>>> property of a person.
>>>
>>> Ronald
>>>
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>>> From: Michel Dumontier [mailto:michel.dumontier@gmail.com]

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