- From: <Peter.Hendler@kp.org>
- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:24:54 -0700
- To: meadch@mail.nih.gov
- Cc: kerstin.l.forsberg@gmail.com, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
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At Kaiser we use SNOMED subsumption to automatically generate preference lists for different specialties, and to pre populate (only after humans edit the list) work flow for chemo therapy. But for outcomes research or quality reporting it has real value too. Using both SQL and subsumption you can automatically find things like this: "find all disorders that are a kind of adverse drug reaction where drug is a subtype of antibiotic and was given for a kind of gram negative bacterial infection of the digestive system". Try that with only SQL. Charlie, Just an idea but.. Wouldn't it be helpful if HL7 models would have the ability to label certain nodes as intensional (for example you can bind any kind of SNOMED organism to this node)? You can use a SNOMED reasoner or an OWL reasoner on this node to find all the kinds of infectious agents that are a subtype of gram negative bacteria. Which would be one of the individual subsumption queries needed in the above example. A given node might have the following. It's meta tags would be: intensional = "true" ontology = "SNOMED-CT" logic = "EL+" hierarchies= "Organism" post_coordination_allowed = "false" The users of the model wouldn't have to talk to the creator of the model, they'd already know they can use the reasoner on the "causative agent" node. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. "Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]" <meadch@mail.nih.gov> 08/21/2012 02:54 PM To Kerstin Forsberg <kerstin.l.forsberg@gmail.com>, "public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org" <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org> cc Subject RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards Totally agree. The more we can show people the advantages of SW representations, the better. Eric and I are trying to come up with a "message and explanation" with a couple of really concrete examples to address the question of "isn't this just another silver bullet?" Hopefully we can make some progress on that in the next few weeks. Also, I (and any others who happen to be at the upcoming HL7 meeting should a) try and have an organizational meeting, and b) sit down with Wayne (now CDISC CTO) and talk through some of this with him. I know from talking with him at my last CDISC BoD meeting (Sept 2011) and the more recent BRIDG BoD meeting (June 2012) that is interested in the subject. charlie ________________________________________ From: Kerstin Forsberg [kerstin.l.forsberg@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:34 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards Great discussion in the meeting today and on the email list: BRIDG/OWL, FHIR/SW, Extensional and Intensional /" design-time" and "run-time" models, ... a lot of interesting things seems to converge for how to model patient data. At the same time I think it would be useful to explore a RDF implementation of today's CDISC SDTM domains (and Supplement Qualifier) data structures. That is,RDF triples and as an alt. to ODM/XML for data exchange. So far my focus has been on pushing CDISC, and NCI, towards "Linked Clinical Data Standards", see http://kerfors.blogspot.se/2012/05/semantic-models-for-cdisc-based.html, as a prereq. to be able to get to "Linked Clinical Data" Kind Regards Kerstin
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