- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:07:17 -0400
- To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
- Cc: "Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]" <meadch@mail.nih.gov>, "cecil.o.lynch@accenture.com" <cecil.o.lynch@accenture.com>, Dan Housman <DHousman@recomdata.com>, David Hardison <dhardison@recomdata.com>, Josh Mandel <Joshua.Mandel@childrens.harvard.edu>
http://www.w3.org/2012/03/30-hcls-minutes
Surveillance follow-up 1
06 Apr 2012
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Contents
* [2]Topics
* [3]Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> scribe: ericP
<mscottm2> Background: Msgs came in through msg queueing system, HL7
2.X msg was parsed, distilled into components necessary for analysis
and RDF created
<mscottm2> Eric: <checking> validating reports real-time?
<mscottm2> who is talking?
<mscottm2> tx
<mscottm2> eschrip: coded representation for topic, such as particular
antibiotic for TB and another - whether there was a response.
<mscottm2> ericp: how were they tied together?
<mscottm2> eschrip: each reporting body (State?) created its own
software
JoshMandel: did all the states have a common hl7 guideline?
<mscottm2> JoshMandel (?): When does validation happen, before or after
RDF?
<mscottm2> eschrip: we apply some OWL reasoning and also use Jess to
the msg
cecyl: initial submission is paper-based
... first electronic view is when the state gets a copy of all the
paper forms
<mscottm2> ericp: trying to ascertain if the assertion of efficacy is
tied to the event (msg).
eschrip: [biosynth demo]
... working from collection of different kinds of messages, those that
appear in a given clinic or lab
... system sends them all to a processing point
... processing does:
... .. categorize events for reported disease, e.g. upper-respiratory
issues
... .. identify syndromes, trends, etc.
... reported e.g. when a doctor did a test for anthrax, regardless of
disposition
... parsing clinical data, different 'cause e.g. TB forms are would be
normalized
... called for a rete engine
... unified patients based on hospital IDs, no inter-clinic links
... we were able to establish liklyhoods of different diseases
... rete used to asses symptoms, followup tests, etc.
... we classified into Cecil's disease ontology
ericP: if you were able to push the processing down, is there value to
reporting in RDF?
<eschrip> That was Craig
<eschrip> (Craig dialed in from Salt Lake City)
cecil: drawing from e.g. prescriptions, facebook, etc. folks were able
to beat CDC's influenza predictions by two days
<mscottm2> Google predicted an outbreak in influenza 2 days earlier
than CDC could do it by looking at search patterns
eschrip: using RDF for messaging isn't as interesting as RDF for
querying
... biosynth data lifetime is very short
... for TB, we keep it around longer to eliminate duplicates
... for a Quality of Care project, we kept data for the stay of a
patient
... need validation
ericP: what if we used SPARQL for validation?
eschrip: we used OWL, and SPIN a little
... we used lots of SPARQL to examine the data, even in OWL format
... yes, a story should be told that novel JSON is the same as novel
RDF for self-discovery requirements
JoshMandel: there are a couple JSON schema language, and i expect
validators
... in RDF/SPARQL land, you'd have a zillion little validating queries?
ericP: maybe monolithic
cecil: how do a write a standard query for population health when
there's not single query point
... GELLO provides a canonical model to which you'd map via d2r, etc.
... talking to chris chute, stan huff, ken madel, the SHARP grants are
trying to create standard APIs
JoshMandel: at Harvard, we're creating canonical models
... has the same flavor of pushing the mapping back to the source
system
ericP: when you have combinations of models, can one message meet
multiple models?
JoshMandel: yes
... we have a payload validator which:
... .. is there a code?
... .. is it RxNorm?
... .. is there a dose?
cecil: i'm leading the clinical model CIMI task force
... FHIR use cases are similar to the narrow use cases
... you don't need the monolithic model when you know your target
... HL7 has Common Message Element Types for e.g. the lab domain
... aggregates e.g. SMART models
<scribe> scribenick: ericP
Craig: we have an org which is trying to move into a managed care model
... (instead of payment for test types, etc.)
... we're building towards being able to do decision support and risk
analysis
mscottm2: when you've got finer granularity than state-level, you can
do interesting mashups of, say, epidemic data
... is your data public? can we watch a virus traverse the states?
eschrip: the format depends on the organization
... infectious disease may be different from ...
Craig: they want to control and vet the data before publication, way
into the episode of an outbreak
... there are many bits and pieces of information which preceed a
diagnosed case
<Bosse> I need o leave, thanks for an interesting discussion. /Bosse
cecil: EpiInfo, if you can demonstrate a need to know of edidemiology
info
... most states have a weekly fact sheet of what's happening, what
needs attention
... even though i get that data, i can't really use it beyond figuring
out how to use it late
Summary of Action Items
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/2012/03/30-hcls-minutes#agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2012/03/30-hcls-minutes#ActionSummary
4. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
5. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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-ericP
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