- From: Jim McCusker <james.mccusker@yale.edu>
- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:34:49 -0400
- To: Helena Deus <helenadeus@gmail.com>
- Cc: Michael Miller <Michael.Miller@systemsbiology.org>, W3C HCLSIG hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
Ah, I thought you were looking for predicates for datatype properties. This makes much more sense now. When I said you could compose a molar unit for concentration, I was thinking more that it would be a new URI that uses MUO's predicates for describing molar concentration in terms of moles/liter, which is easy in MUO. They might even accept a new unit for that, they may just have not seen the need before. Jim On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Helena Deus <helenadeus@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Michael, > I was looking for a way to say in RDF that some concentration is measured in > "molar"; > e.g. > <assay> <concentration> "5"^^<http://someuri/molar> > Yes, Molar = mole/Liter, but from my (limited) understanding of datatypes, > there are no restrictions as to what can be used in the datatype URI > I'm not sure how to express the statement above if I need to combine mole > and liter to create a datatype... > Would something like: > <assay> <concentration> "5"^^[<http://someuri/mole> > <http://someuri/division> <http://someuri/liter>] > Work? > Cheers, > Lena > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Michael Miller > <Michael.Miller@systemsbiology.org> wrote: >> >> hi lena, >> >> >> >> after looking at wikipedia i see what you mean that it isn't a unit per >> se, it is a concentration of a solution, that is by definition a combination >> of a value of 1 with an SI unit of 1 mol\L. so it is certainly a property >> of the solution but i don't see how it is a datatype. in programming terms >> i define a variable to be of a certain datatype: >> >> >> >> int count = 5 >> >> >> >> what does it mean to say, >> >> >> >> Molar solution = ?? >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> michael >> >> >> >> From: Helena Deus [mailto:helenadeus@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:17 PM >> To: Michael Miller >> Cc: Jim McCusker; Matthias Samwald; W3C HCLSIG hcls >> >> Subject: Re: "molar" for concentration >> >> >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> >> >> I did mean datatype. I do like the MUO / SI solution, but it's strange >> that they don't describe "Molar" (much more widely used) along with "mole"? >> Sure enough I can "build" a Molar, as Jim indicated... but I can also >> "build" a month or an acceleration from days or meters+time, and yet they >> provide it... Interesting... >> >> >> >> Thanks all, >> >> Cheers, >> >> Lena >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Michael Miller >> <Michael.Miller@systemsbiology.org> wrote: >> >> hi all, >> >> i did take a quick look at MUO and it does seem sane. >> >> "For instance, MUO has the ability to assert units of measure on n-ary >> >> observations, ..." >> >> and MUO appears based on SI. >> >> cheers, >> michael >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org [mailto:public-semweb- >> >> > lifesci-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jim McCusker >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:58 PM >> > To: Matthias Samwald >> > Cc: Helena Deus; W3C HCLSIG hcls >> >> > Subject: Re: "molar" for concentration >> > >> >> > In general, you really want to be able to have additional levels of >> > qualification. For instance, MUO has the ability to assert units of >> > measure on n-ary observations, as well as to provide prefUnit >> > annotations on properties. An ontology that generates property URIs >> > for every quality and unit of measure would be huge and very >> > cumbersome, and I think the consensus is to annotate your own >> > properties with units of measure. >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Matthias Samwald >> > <matthias.samwald@meduniwien.ac.at> wrote: >> > > Besides the ontologies already mentioned, the unit ontology / >> > > UO (http://obofoundry.org/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?id=unit) also has a >> > class for >> > > "mole" and one for "molar mass unit". But you actually wanted a URI >> > for a >> > > datatype so this (as well as the other ontologies mentioned before) >> > is >> > > probably not what you wanted. >> > > >> > > Does anybody know of an ontology that defines scientific datatypes in >> > OWL 2? >> > > >> > > - Matthias >> > > >> > > From: Helena Deus >> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:23 PM >> > > To: W3C HCLSIG hcls >> > > Subject: "molar" for concentration >> > > Hi all, >> > > Wondering if anyone ever needed/came across a URI for datatype "M" >> > (molar, >> > > as in 10 M -> 10 Molar). >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molar_concentration >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > -- >> > > Helena F. Deus >> > > Post-Doctoral Researcher at DERI/NUIG >> > > http://lenadeus.info/ >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jim McCusker >> > Programmer Analyst >> > Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics >> > Yale School of Medicine >> > james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 >> > http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu >> > >> > PhD Student >> > Tetherless World Constellation >> > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >> > mccusj@cs.rpi.edu >> > http://tw.rpi.edu >> >> >> >> -- >> Helena F. Deus >> >> Post-Doctoral Researcher at DERI/NUIG >> >> http://lenadeus.info/ >> >> > > > -- > Helena F. Deus > Post-Doctoral Researcher at DERI/NUIG > http://lenadeus.info/ > -- Jim McCusker Programmer Analyst Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics Yale School of Medicine james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu PhD Student Tetherless World Constellation Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute mccusj@cs.rpi.edu http://tw.rpi.edu
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