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Re: Dr. Bunsen's URI and knowledge sharing

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:42:24 -0400
Message-ID: <4A4FB0A0.9000503@openlinksw.com>
To: Helena Deus <helenadeus@gmail.com>
CC: marshall@science.uva.nl, shared-names@googlegroups.com, Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>, Tim Clark <tim_clark@harvard.edu>, W3C HCLSIG hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
Helena Deus wrote:
> Hi Scott, 
> Well said!!
> Regardless of how we chose to identify ourselves, either using a 
> Wikipeople profile, a purl, or a university url to identify both 
> ourselves and our credibility bound to the institution where we work, 
> I agree it will be extremely important to chose the 
> authentication authority wisely.
> The current web 2.0 approach seems to be forcing the users to create a 
> new account everywhere where they want have access to tools or data. 
> But we can already see some web applications, such as sourceforge or 
> google, that delegate the authentication to other authorities - a 
> protocol that describes how such interaction between applications 
> could occur has indeed been proposed, called OAuth (http://oauth.net/). 
> Web applications using OAuth, instead of asking the user to create a 
> new account by inputting a password, redirects the user to a trusted 
> website, for example google or paypal, and that is where the 
> authentication happens. Once the user is authenticated, google or 
> paypal send the user back to the web application 
> where authentication was required, along  with some token that can be 
> verified with google, which indicates that the user has or has not 
> been authenticated. 
> Lena


Please take a look at FOAF+SSL [1]. This is how you go about controlling 
your Identity in a truly Web friendly manner i.e., federated identity as 
opposed to centralized identity management.


1. http://esw.w3.org/topic/foaf+ssl
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbdeNMPCug - setting up an X.509 
cert. that includes a Personal URI (i.e. HTTP based Identifier for an 
Entity of Type: Person)

> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, M. Scott Marshall 
> <marshall@science.uva.nl <mailto:marshall@science.uva.nl>> wrote:
>     Jonathan Rees wrote:
>     > Thanks to Kaitlin Thaney for the following.
>     >
>     > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaythaney/3592177513/
>     Jonathan's post reminds me of an issue that is important to
>     knowledge sharing and has been on my mind lately: Scientists are
>     often just as concerned about *who* said something as they are
>     about *what* was said. The need to unequivocally identify a person
>     is a requirement that comes about when we share knowledge because
>     we need to know who has provided an assertion, and often, under
>     what circumstances (i.e. with what evidence, measurements, etc.).
>     Such 'knowledge provenance' is becoming increasingly important
>     because systems are being developed that would make use of both
>     manually curated facts and those computationally generated or
>     'mined'. This has been coming up in many different groups and
>     events, including the HCLS Scientific Discourse and BioRDF task
>     forces, myExperiment, HypER http://hyp-er.wik.is/ , and likely
>     Sage[1]. Apparently, this topic also came up at the International
>     Repositories Infrastructure Workshop where Jonathan was present[0].
>     The similarity between the requirements for shared names, in
>     general, and 'people identifiers', in particular, is readily
>     apparent: we would like unambiguous and permanent URI's to be
>     provided from an authoritative and neutral source. I don't know
>     about you but if Shared Names offered people identifiers, it would
>     be my preferred approach. However, Shared Names has limited the
>     scope to GO dbx records for the moment.
>     Are there alternatives to the DIY do-it-yourself approach for
>     those who need people identifiers *today*? The only thing that I
>     can think of is WikiPeople[2] (which could create an awkward
>     situation if someone else with the name Michael Scott Marshall
>     creates a page, who wants to be M. Scott Marshall 2?). Oh wait,
>     there's more at a Crossref blog [3], although I don't think that
>     sharing hypothetical information with other scientists shouldn't
>     require you to have an 'author number'.
>     One thing that I like about WikiPeople is that it puts identity in
>     the hands of the owners of the identity. Unfortunately, I think
>     that a code is required instead of a name to truly scale. Also, I
>     suppose that the most surefire way to ensure that an identity
>     system doesn't get messy is to require authentication e.g. a
>     certificate from a Certificate Authority that has high
>     requirements for authentication such as presenting a passport.
>     Such levels of authentication are currently required for European
>     and Dutch grid certificates (finally, a use for such seemingly
>     exaggerated grid-burocracy!).
>     -Scott
>     [0]
>     http://maurice.vanderfeesten.name/blog/2009/03/20/international-repositories-infrastructure-workshop-persistent-identifiers/
>     [1]
>     http://blogs.bbsrc.ac.uk/index.php/2009/05/sage-has-its-time-a-large-scale-open-access-resource-for-systems-biologists/
>     [2]
>     http://proteins.wikiprofessional.org/index.php?title=%20WikiPeople&action=edit
>     <http://proteins.wikiprofessional.org/index.php?title=%20WikiPeople&action=edit>
>     [3]
>     http://www.crossref.org/crweblog/2009/04/the_buzz_around_people_identif.html
>     -- 
>     M. Scott Marshall  (still have to get a PURL ;) )
>     http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall
>     <http://staff.science.uva.nl/%7Emarshall>
>     http://adaptivedisclosure.org



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