Re: [COI] Clinical Observations Interoperability Telcon November 20, Tuesday 11:00am - 12:00pm US EST

Hi All,

I caught this quote from the Clinical Observation Interoperability 
Telcon that seems to be inaccurate:

"Clinical research data and clinical care data from EMRs have different 
information models and different terminological standards. CDISC's Study 
Data Tabulation Model (SDTM), an emerging standard for regulatory 
reporting of clinical research data, defines the study variables for a 
given clinical trial in terms of domains and observations. Although 
there are no widely used standards in the modeling of clinical 
information in EMRs, there is a large body of work in the 
Healthcare/Clinical Practice arena where detailed clinical models (DCM) 
have been developed"

To correct the mis-statement: The HL7 Observation standards for EMR's 
have been in use since the 1990's in both HL7 2.x standards and the new 
HL7 RIM-based standards found in CDA documents and other RIM-based 
standards. These RIM-based standards are now chosen by national 
government bodies including US (ONC contracts), Canada (Infoway), 
Australia (NEHTA), and the UK (NHS). Therefore, there are widely used 
standards for observations in EMR design.

Hope the work of the Clinical Observation Interoperability group makes 
sure that an effort is made to harmonize clinical trial observation 
standards with both of these older, widely-used HL7 standards for 
patient care....Dan

Kashyap, Vipul wrote:

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>     Subject: [COI] Clinical Observations Interoperability Telcon
>     November 20, Tuesday 11:00am - 12:00pm US EST
>
>     Clinical Observations Interoperability Telcon 
>      
>     http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability
>      
>     Thanks to all of you who participated in the COI session of the
>     F2F. It was a great meeting, with a lot of enthusiasm
>     and great feedback and insights. Some of us met at AMIA after this
>     and there appears to be a lot of momentum
>     Hopefully, all of us have had the opportunity of digesting the
>     feedback and lessons. Would like to propose the next telcon
>     with the following agenda (Please let me know if you would like to
>     add anything else to this).
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>     The various presentations made at the COI session are available at:
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>     http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/November2007F2FAgenda.html
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>     Slides enumerating the key discussion points of the brainstorming
>     session are available at:
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>     http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/November2007F2FAgenda.html?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=brainstorming.ppt
>     <http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/November2007F2FAgenda.html?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=brainstorming.ppt>
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>     Date and Time:
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>     November 20,  Tuesday 11:00am - 12:00pm  US  EST  
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>     Telcon Details:
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>     Phone
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>     +1 617 761 6200, conference 24668 ("BIONT")
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>     IRC
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>     irc://irc.w3.org:6665/hcls
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>     Browser-based IRC client
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>     http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
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>     Agenda
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>       1.
>           Administrivia
>              *
>                 Everyone - please sign up for the mailing list (it's free)
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>                 Invited Expert Status - Please send your information
>                 to Eric P. (Eric P to take lead)
>              *
>                 Permissions to edit Functional Requirements Document -
>                 Invitations to Google Spreadsheets
>       2.
>           Finish Functional Requirements
>              *
>                 Fill up information related to Detailed Clinical
>                 Models - Tom Oniki et. al.
>              *
>                 Fill up information related to SDTM - Kerstin, Bo, Rachel
>       3.
>           Identify Data Requirements - George Allen
>       4.
>           Identify Patient Data Sets - George Allen, Tom Oniki, Vipul
>           Kashyap, Jyotishman Pathak, Rachel Richesson
>       5.
>           Finalize Resource Commitments from various people
>       6.
>           Finalize Detailed Project Plan and review for scope and
>           feedback -- Goal to have a POC in 6-9 months.
>       7.
>           Brainstorm Application Architecture and detailed Technical Tasks
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