- From: William Bug <William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>
- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:48:24 -0500
- To: Kei Cheung <kei.cheung@yale.edu>
- Cc: David Decraene <David@landcglobal.com>, Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@manchester.ac.uk>, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>, public-semweb-lifesci hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
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That's much better for Wikipedia than getting too deep into ABox and TBox. Thanks, Kei. On the other hand, some may not agree with the focus on the lexicon - "Ontology is defined as a formal specification of a vocabulary, including axioms relating the terms" - though I do like the accessibility of that description. Of course, you could additionally reference the Wikipedia entries for Abox & Tbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBox Cheers, Bill On Jan 24, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Kei Cheung wrote: > Just to add to Bill's comments. According to the following paper: > > http://www.springerlink.com/content/hnn72w7r18238467/ > > Ontology is defined as a formal specification of a vocabulary, > including axioms relating the terms. A dataset is defined as a set > of facts expressed using a particular ontology. > > -Kei > > William Bug wrote: > >> I think you are right, David - axioms would be better, as >> algorithms implies - though doesn't proscribe - an implementation >> strategy that may not be relevant to all uses of formal >> ontologies. Perhaps the use of algorithms relates to Tom Gruber's >> oft quoted description of what an ontology is - a description that >> does not fit for everyone using formal ontologies. >> >> Maybe some mention of how formal ontologies are used to test >> formal assertions and some mention of the difference between the >> TBox & the ABox (using more accessible expressions) would be >> useful as well. >> >> Again - thanks for trying to put this out there. I do think it >> can be a very useful resource. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2007, at 10:03 AM, David Decraene wrote: >> >>> I'd like to comment on these statements: >>> Perhaps it can be phrased better, but 'algorhythms' refers to the >>> fact that a formal upper level ontology has built-in DISJOINT >>> (and other) axioms which reflect back onto their children (ergo >>> the consistency check phrase). Axioms is perhaps a better choice. >>> Also, the formal in formal ontology has nothing to do with the >>> language of representation (perhaps that part can be phrased >>> better as well to avoid confusion) but to the formalism >>> (formality of the ontology as you refer to it) that is embedded >>> in the framework. >>> I do not disagree that this page can be improved further (which >>> is the purpose and strongpoint of wikipedia), but explaining in >>> laymans terms what a formal ontology is about is a challenge. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org >>> [mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org]*On Behalf Of >>> *Robert Stevens >>> *Sent:* woensdag 24 januari 2007 15:45 >>> *To:* Phillip Lord; Alan Ruttenberg >>> *Cc:* public-semweb-lifesci hcls >>> *Subject:* Re: [biont] Nice wikipedia page on ontology >>> >>> /'d be inclined to agree with Phil. I don't where the bit about >>> "algorithms" has come from. The other mistake, I think, is >>> not to >>> make the distinction between formality of language for >>> representaiton and the formality of the ontology itself. The >>> latter is, I think, a matter of the distinctions made. One can >>> make an ontology in a formal language like owl, but still be >>> informal in the ontological distinctions made. >>> >>> /Formal ontological distinctions can be encapsulated in an upper >>> level, but upper level otnoogies are not necessarily >>> formal.... the phrase also explicitely refers to upper >>> level ontologies that >>> are formal in nature... >>> Anyway, it is bad at almost any level >>> >>> Robert. >>> ,At 13:55 24/01/2007, Phillip Lord wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "Alan" == Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:alanruttenberg@gmail.com>> writes: >>>> >>>> Alan> Start at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_Ontology >>>> >>>> Alan> -Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, it starts of with this.... >>>> >>>> "A Formal ontology is an ontology modeled by algorithms. Formal >>>> ontologies are founded upon a specific Formal Upper Level >>>> Ontology, >>>> which provides consistency checks for the entire ontology >>>> and, if >>>> applied properly, allows the modeler to avoid possibly >>>> erroneous >>>> ontological assumptions encountered in modeling large-scale >>>> ontologies. " >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Almost none of which I would agree with. >>> >> >> Bill Bug >> Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer >> >> Laboratory for Bioimaging & Anatomical Informatics >> www.neuroterrain.org >> Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy >> Drexel University College of Medicine >> 2900 Queen Lane >> Philadelphia, PA 19129 >> 215 991 8430 (ph) >> 610 457 0443 (mobile) >> 215 843 9367 (fax) >> >> >> Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu >> <mailto:William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu> >> >> >> >> > > Bill Bug Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer Laboratory for Bioimaging & Anatomical Informatics www.neuroterrain.org Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy Drexel University College of Medicine 2900 Queen Lane Philadelphia, PA 19129 215 991 8430 (ph) 610 457 0443 (mobile) 215 843 9367 (fax) Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu
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