- From: William Bug <William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>
- Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:19:48 -0400
- To: Tim Clark <twclark@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
- Cc: "Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)" <Michael_Miller@Rosettabio.com>, Eric Neumann <eneumann@teranode.com>, AJ Chen <canovaj@gmail.com>, w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>, SWAN Team <swan-team@mind-informatics.org>
- Message-Id: <0CB30A1A-987D-490D-A1E2-72251F906E65@DrexelMed.edu>
Dear Tim, I think this is an excellent idea - and comes at a very propitious time. I would suggest including participants on the FuGO, PaTO, and EXPO projects as well. Cheers, Bill On Jul 6, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Tim Clark wrote: > Michael > > The FuGE project may have some interesting overlaps with SWAN. > Current phase of SWAN is focused on construction of annotation and > publishing tools for semantically characterized hypotheses, claims, > findings, counterclaims, etc on digital resources in neuromedicine, > at the community level. This is planned to be followed by a > complementary phase involving management and characterization of > laboratory results using an extension of the same ontology. > > I propose we arrange mutual presentations and discussions to see if > any synergies exist such that we might take advantage or each > others' work. > > Best > > Tim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Tim Clark 617-947-7098 (mobile) > > Director of Research Programs > Harvard University Initiative in Innovative Computing > 60 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 > http://iic.harvard.edu > > Director of Informatics > MassGeneral Institute for Neurodegenerative Disease > 114 16th Street, Charlestown, MA 02129 > http://www.mindinformatics.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > On Jul 5, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Miller, Michael D (Rosetta) wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Just wanted to point out how this overlaps with the current FuGE >> (http://fuge.sourceforge.net/) and FUGO (http:// >> fugo.sourceforge.net/) efforts. These are focused on systems >> biology and are intended to provide the underpinnings of reporting >> gene expression, gel, mass spec, and -omics experiments/ >> investigations. >> >> The goal of FuGE (Functional Genomic Experiments) is for the most >> part to provide: >> >> "a. Publishing Protocols >> b. Publishing Regants and Products >> c. Stating the Hypothesis (and model using RDF) that is being >> tested by the experiment; this includes which citations are >> supportive or alternative to ones hypothesis >> d. Publishing Experimental Data (possibly as RDF-OWL aggregates >> and tables) >> e. Articulating the Results and Conclusions; specifically, whether >> the experiment refutes or supports the central Hypothesis (most of >> us agree we cannot 'prove' a hypothesis, only disprove it)" >> >> But it is a UML based model that will then have an equivalent XML >> Schema generated. The advantage, I think, this approach has over >> a pure ontology representation is that it better captures the >> actual work-flow of these experiments for the interchange of data >> and annotation. That being said, the UML model incorporates a way >> to annotate the class objects with ontology Individuals with a >> reference to the Individual's RDF class and its ontology. The UML >> model adds the additional semantics of identifiers (typically >> expressed as LSIDs) that allows tying reference elements generated >> in the XML Schema to the full definition of an object. So a >> biological sample can be fully described in one document then >> referenced by a treatment that incorporates it into a prep. >> >> So, for instance, typically a hypothesis is specific to the >> particular experiment/investigation. In FuGE, it is simply a >> Description class with a text attribute associated by a Hypothesis >> association to the Investigation class. But in the XML document, >> this specific Description can be annotated by references to >> ontologies that allow hypothesis to be translated to RDF upon >> import. We used the OMG Ontology Definition Metamodel >> specification mapping of Individuals from OWL/RDF to UML so that >> these could then be mapped back to an OWL/RDF representation for >> reasoning (http://www.omg.org/ontology/ontology_info.htm#RFIs,RFPs). >> >> FUGO is intended to become part of the OBO ontologies and FUGO's >> goal is to provide general annotation terms for these type of >> experiments. >> >> cheers, >> Michael >> Michael Miller >> Lead Software Developer >> Rosetta Biosoftware Business Unit >> www.rosettabio.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org [mailto:public-semweb- >> lifesci-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Eric Neumann >> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:57 AM >> To: AJ Chen >> Cc: w3c semweb hcls >> Subject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment >> >> >> AJ, >> >> This is a great start, and thanks for taking this on! I would like >> to see this task force propose a conceptual framework within the >> two months. It does not have to be final, but I think we need to >> have others on the list review the ontologies (http://esw.w3.org/ >> topic/HCLS/ScientificPublishingTaskForce? >> action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SPE_Specs.html) and requirements >> (http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/SciPubSPERequirements) you have >> proposed, ask questions about them, and adjust/expand as needed. >> >> I think there has been good discussions on this topic in the past, >> and I would also refer folks to the SWAN paper by Gao et al. >> http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/ps/pub/2006-17 . This work is >> inline with with what Tim Clark has been proposing to the group, >> and I think it is a useful model to consider. Perhaps we can >> combine these efforts and propose a workable (demo anyone?) by the >> end of summer... >> >> In terms of gathering more Scientific Publishing of Experiments >> (SPE) requirements, I wanted to list some items that appear to be >> inter-related and relevant: >> >> 1. By Publishing experiments, one must also consider (i.e., >> include in the ontology): >> a. Publishing Protocols >> b. Publishing Regants and Products >> c. Stating the Hypothesis (and model using RDF) that is being >> tested by the experiment; this includes which citations are >> supportive or alternative to ones hypothesis >> d. Publishing Experimental Data (possibly as RDF-OWL aggregates >> and tables) >> e. Articulating the Results and Conclusions; specifically, whether >> the experiment refutes or supports the central Hypothesis (most of >> us agree we cannot 'prove' a hypothesis, only disprove it) >> >> 2. Hypotheses should be defined in terms of authorship (ala DC), >> what the proposed new concepts is, and what (experimental) fact >> (or claim) is required to support it. It should also refer to >> earlier hypotheses either by: >> a. extension of an earlier tested and supported hypothesis: >> refinement >> b. similarity or congruence with another untested hypothesis: >> supportive >> c. being an alternative to another hypothesis, that will qualify >> itself through the refutation of the earlier one: refutation >> This would allow one to define rules and queries that can traverse >> the lineage of hypotheses (forwards and backwards, similar to >> citations), and how one papers work can be related to ongoing work >> on different fronts that have branched. >> >> 3. "Publication" should be a specific concept in SPE, that would >> serve to be the hub of DC metadata as well as the above >> experimental data and hypotheses. Different non-disjoint >> Publication "Roles" could be defined, such as Peer-Reviewed, >> Electronically-Published, Topic Review, and Follow-up Data. I >> would also invite the folks interested in Clinical Publications to >> specify what requirements they feel should be included, (e.g. >> regulatory applications, Common Technical Document). >> >> I also think it would be useful if we could add a Concept Map >> graphic for the proposed SPE ontology (class relations mainly). >> Sometime ideas can get expressed faster to the larger community >> using images. >> >> cheers, >> Eric >> >> >> >> >>> From: AJ Chen <canovaj@gmail.com> >>> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:00:23 -0700 >>> Message-ID: >>> <70055a110606251600m469b7d63t405579e7a61e7ef8@mail.gmail.com> >>> To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org >>> I added the first draft of specs for the ontology being developed >>> for >>> self-publishing experiment. see the link on the task wiki page - >>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ScientificPublishingTaskForce >>> >>> This specs document and the requiremnets document are meant to be >>> only the >>> starting point for discussion. I truly hope more people in this >>> group will >>> participate in this open development process, making comments or >>> providing >>> changes to the documents. >>> >>> While the ontology is being developed by this community, I am >>> going to >>> develop a self-publishing tool that implements the ontology, >>> which allows >>> you to try this new way of sharing research information. With >>> easy-to-use >>> tools to demonstrate the benefits of sharing and searching >>> experiment >>> information in semantic data format, it will help attract more >>> people to >>> contribute to the development of the ontology as well as the tools. >>> >>> Best, >>> AJ >> >> >> >> Eric Neumann, PhD >> co-chair, W3C Healthcare and Life Sciences, >> and Senior Director Product Strategy >> Teranode Corporation >> 83 South King Street, Suite 800 >> Seattle, WA 98104 >> +1 (781)856-9132 >> www.teranode.com >> > Bill Bug Senior Analyst/Ontological Engineer Laboratory for Bioimaging & Anatomical Informatics www.neuroterrain.org Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy Drexel University College of Medicine 2900 Queen Lane Philadelphia, PA 19129 215 991 8430 (ph) 610 457 0443 (mobile) 215 843 9367 (fax) Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu This email and any accompanying attachments are confidential. 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