- From: Scott Simmons <ssimmons@opengeospatial.org>
- Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:23:15 -0700
- To: Michael J Gordon <Michael.Gordon@os.uk>
- Cc: "dmckenzie@opengeospatial.org" <dmckenzie@opengeospatial.org>, "public-sdwig@w3.org" <public-sdwig@w3.org>
Hi Michael, OK - I’ve added it to the Future Directions session agenda. Best Regards, Scott > On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Michael J Gordon <Michael.Gordon@os.uk> wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > I'd also lean towards the latter - perhaps including allowing attendees to put their names down if they were happy for us to discuss their experience or feedback directly at a later date. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Simmons [mailto:ssimmons@opengeospatial.org] > Sent: 05 January 2018 14:13 > To: Michael J Gordon <Michael.Gordon@os.uk> > Cc: dmckenzie@opengeospatial.org; public-sdwig@w3.org > Subject: Re: [Minutes] Spatial Data on the Web IG Call - 2018-01-03 > > Hi Michael, > > I added Linda’s suggestion to my list of Orleans topics for insertion into the week. We have a few options: dedicated session (understanding that it will conflict with 3 other WGs), some time in the Closing Plenary, or as a topic in the Future Directions session. I lean toward the latter - we could assign reading the BP as homework for the TC and have one of the editors help Gobe facilitate the discussion. > > Best Regards, > Scott > >> On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:25 AM, Michael J Gordon <Michael.Gordon@os.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> In case anyone didn't see my note right at the end of the call, I raised https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/991 regarding Linda's suggestion to get feedback on the Best Practices at the next OGC TC from early adopters in the community, perhaps through a short session. >> >> @Scott, @dmckenzie - could you let me know your thoughts around the best way to do this at Orleans? (given it would likely involve folks who are attending a variety of SWG/DWG sessions). >> >> Best Regards, >> Michael >> >> Michael Gordon >> Senior Product Manager, Product Strategy and Management OSGB, Ordnance >> Survey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Francois Daoust [mailto:fd@w3.org] >> Sent: 05 January 2018 09:05 >> To: public-sdwig@w3.org >> Subject: [Minutes] Spatial Data on the Web IG Call - 2018-01-03 >> >> Hi, >> >> The minutes of our first plenary call for 2018 on Wednesday this week are available at: >> https://www.w3.org/2018/01/03-sdw-minutes.html >> >> ... and copied as raw text below. Note the current plan to hold a F2F on 19/20 February hosted by Geonovum. More details to come. >> >> Thanks, >> Francois. >> >> -- >> Spatial Data on the Web IG call >> 03 January 2018 >> >> [2]Agenda [3]IRC log >> >> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2017Dec/0014.html >> [3] https://www.w3.org/2018/01/03-sdw-irc >> >> Attendees >> >> Present >> billroberts, Francois_Daoust, George_Percivall, jtandy, >> Linda, Michael_Gordon, Peter_Rushforth, ScottSimmons >> >> Regrets >> >> Chair >> Jeremy, Linda >> >> Scribe >> billroberts >> >> Contents >> >> * [4]Meeting Minutes >> 1. [5]Tools and web pages for SDW-IG >> 2. [6]Updates from each active workstream >> 3. [7]Update from OGC TC meeting in Palmerston North >> 4. [8]Face to face meetings schedule >> * [9]Summary of Action Items >> >> Meeting Minutes >> >> Approve minutes of last meeting? >> >> <billroberts> +1 >> >> <MichaelGordon> +1 >> >> <jtandy> +1 >> >> <brinkwoman> +1 >> >> <tidoust> +1 >> >> Minutes approved >> >> Tools and web pages for SDW-IG >> >> <tidoust> [10]Issue #990 Updates to SDW IG home page >> >> [10] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/990 >> >> Jeremy: took an action at last meeting to update the approach >> to the web page, so we were not always dependent on Francois to >> update it >> … considered using Jekyll and Markdown but concluded that >> because the requirements are so simple (just one page) there >> was not much extra benefit from using Jekyll >> … agendas and minutes get published to a permanent URL using >> existing tools, so the home page can just link to those >> >> Jeremy: For each individual project, we can use pages within >> the repository to share information >> >> <jtandy> [11]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/sdwig-homepage.html >> >> [11] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/sdwig-homepage.html >> >> Jeremy has created a new version of the home page in github, >> more or less identical to the original one that Francois >> created and added links to current versions of the main >> documents >> >> Jeremy: would a web page like this, plus mailing list for >> agendas, plus markdown pages in the repository meet our needs? >> >> <MichaelGordon> +1 >> >> <billroberts> +1 >> >> <jtandy> +1 >> >> <ScottSimmons> +1 >> >> <brinkwoman> I only looked for a minute, but +1 I think >> >> Francois is happy with it, and will let us know if any specific >> requirements from W3C arise at a later date (there are no >> specific ones at the moment) >> >> Jeremy: Francois, can you redirect the sdwig home page URL to >> the github pages? >> >> Action: Francois to add a redirect from w3.org to the GitHub >> page >> >> <trackbot> Created ACTION-379 - Add a redirect from w3.org to >> the github page [on François Daoust - due 2018-01-10]. >> >> Updates from each active workstream >> >> 2.1 REC track errata >> >> Francois: no work has been done but a couple of issues have >> been raised against the time ontology and no response to those >> yet >> … it would be good for Chris and/or Simon to consider those >> >> Jeremy: Chris is not yet back to work after the holidays >> … so let's ping people via the mailing list >> >> Francois will assign those issues to Chris and Simon >> >> 2.2 Statistical data on the web >> >> billroberts: Not much to report on Stats on the Web BP. Last >> call became a dial-in to the geosemantic session of NZ meeting. >> … We mostly advertized our work to OGC people >> … Apart from that, goal is to collect use cases and >> requirements. >> … I hope we'll have some new material to discuss for next call >> on January 10th. >> … Content with the progress for now. >> … We have an enthusiastic group. >> … I'll create milestones so that we can track progress. >> >> 2.3 SSN Primer >> >> Armin is not on the call today. >> >> no-one else is aware of progress >> >> 2.4 Describing moving objects >> >> Jano is due to lead this adn is not on the call >> >> no-one on the call knows about progress >> >> 2.5 Spatial data on the web BP >> >> MichaelGordon: we had a good call before Christmas and >> discussed the range of activities the group could do >> … most of the call was around how to encourage adoption of the >> BPs and how to evangelise about them >> >> <MichaelGordon> [12]https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ >> bp/work-items-and-activities.md >> >> [12] >> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/bp/work-items-and-activities. >> md >> >> MichaelGordon: Following that meeting I had an action to write >> up the ideas on a github page (link above) >> … The next stage is to flesh out those headings and to put >> together a 'comms plan' >> … then pick one of the gaps in the best practices, already >> identified, based on feedback and demand >> >> Jeremy: has there been much feedback so far? >> >> MichaelGordon: not much yet, but seeing some adoption and >> references in the next WFS draft and Testbed 14 >> >> MichaelGordon: so seeing early adopters in OGC and can reach >> out to them for some focused feedback >> … Some members of the group have already implemented some of >> the BPs and so can give feedback from that >> >> <MichaelGordon> WFS / FES >> >> ScottSimmons: SDWBP document was the motivation for the setting >> up of the OGC WFS/FES working group, developing the WFS3.0 >> specficiation and also working with ISO TC211 >> >> <brinkwoman> I'm really happy that we have had this impact >> >> Jtandy: that deserves a round of applause! >> >> <brinkwoman> we could talk to some early adopters of OGC at the >> next TC meeting >> >> <brinkwoman> organize a short session >> >> jtandy: yes that's a good idea >> >> jtandy: Michael could you please add a github issue to do as >> Linda suggests >> >> jtandy: I've been talking to Met Office colleagues about API >> patterns >> … and making them more aware of the SDWBP >> … which I hope will lead to some feedback for Michael's stream >> of work >> >> MichaelGordon: agree that examples and feedback will be a >> valuable addition to the BPs themselves >> … The next call is in 2 weeks and at that point we can >> structure these activities and agree who is leading on what >> >> jtandy: Suggest that, as with Bill's work, it would be good to >> define where the group should be in say 2 months from now >> … as we noticed in the previous working group that keeping up >> the tempo of work proved really important for getting >> engagement >> >> 2.6 QB4ST >> >> Rob Atkinson is leading that and not on the call. Anyone else >> knows anything? >> >> ...no >> >> 2.7 EO-QB >> >> jtandy: none of the editors of that have engaged with this >> group yet, so I'll take an action to talk to Kerry, Dimitri and >> Sam and see if they plan to do more on it >> >> Update from OGC TC meeting in Palmerston North >> >> <ScottSimmons> 1. Revise OGC TC Policies and Procedures to >> include "authoritative" SDOs (other than just ISO) for >> submittal of standards to OGC; W3C is explicitly mentioned as a >> likely example. >> >> <ScottSimmons> 2. OpenAPI: at least two SWGs (WFS and WPS) are >> now using OpenAPI to define their next generation of standards. >> TC agreed not to mandate OpenAPI as the API definition method, >> but to recommend use of OpenAPI. Still issues with version 2 >> vs. 3. OGC will need to develop some guidance and likely policy >> around use of API definition methods (at a minimum, align with >> the Modular Spec). >> >> <jtandy> OpenAPI ... Swagger as was >> >> jtandy: OpenAPI is developed by a 'de facto' standards >> organisation, a vendor-led group. Has OGC talked to this group? >> >> ScottSimmons: George Percival is on the call today and we have >> discussed this, including whether OGC should join the OpenAPI >> group >> … OpenAPI may not be as open as some groups >> … OGC has good experience with Swagger >> >> gperciva: They seemed quite open to discussions, but suggested >> OGC just joins as a fee-paying member rather than a >> collaboration of SDOs >> … may be worth discussing that again with them >> >> <ScottSimmons> 3. Agreed to merge Metadata and Catalog DWGs. >> The GeoDCAT subgroup will fall under this new DWG. Scope will >> initially be that of both charters, but a new charter needs to >> be created. Looking for chairs. Expect close cooperation from >> this DWG and perhaps a GeoDCAT Community standard. >> >> jtandy: is there an action for this group to help link W3C and >> OGC activities on DCAT/GeoDCAT? >> >> ScottSimmons: it is probably a bit early for that >> >> jtandy: Andrea Perrego could be a useful person to make that >> happen >> … can we put this on the agenda of the next OGC TC in Orleans ? >> >> <ScottSimmons> 4. Security DWG working more directly with W3C >> Web Security IG (Andreas Mattheus) >> >> <ScottSimmons> 5. New technology trends being evaluated: a. >> autonomous vehicles and autonomous navigation systems (emphasis >> on ground and marine); b. "just in time" analytics - delivering >> what can be delivered in the time allowed >> >> <ScottSimmons> 6. More interest in joint OGC-W3C pilot on >> Augmented Reality: [13]http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/ >> pressreleases/2697 >> >> [13] http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/2697 >> >> <ScottSimmons> 7. Datacubes - is there a need for a new DWG? >> Consider CovJSON work and other webby efforts, not just >> traditional coverages >> >> <ScottSimmons> 8. Restarting Oblique Imagery DWG - emphasis >> will be on web service of imagery; likely will be renamed >> "Perspective Imagery" >> >> <ScottSimmons> 9. Statistical Data on the Web: definitely >> interest from OGC members, some continuing concern about trying >> to create a statistics DWG in the OGC as most members see >> "geostatistics" as being domain-driven. So maybe the larger >> discussions being led in W3C might be just fine. >> >> Peter Rushforth: are there compatibility issues when moving >> from existing services? >> >> ...the MappingML activity has been document focused >> >> ...APIs are not always consistent with the way that browsers >> work. Is there a document based approach already in >> consideration? >> >> ScottSimmons: the OpenAPI efforts are around making the >> services more 'RESTful'. These have built on the existing OGC >> standards >> … so relatively straightforward to adapt existing definitions >> to make them more developer friendly >> … There's nothing to stop us taking a document based approach >> where that seems the best way >> >> <gperciva> Useful to think about "document oriented maps" to >> motivate and charcterize MapML >> >> <gperciva> Use of the SSN Ontology and Jano’s work on Moving >> objects in the ESIP Drone community. Developing ontology for >> science data acquisition by airborne drones. Issues about >> provenance and data collection management. VOCamp session in >> November; Discussion at AGU in December; and ESIP Winter >> meeting next week: "Joint session between the Semantic Web >> cluster and Drone Cluster: Applying semantic tech to sUAS data” >> [14]http://sched.co/D6DQ >> >> [14] http://sched.co/D6DQ >> >> ESIP: Earth Science Information Partnership >> >> Next plenary call: will discuss dates on the mailing list >> >> <MichaelGordon> +1 >> >> <ScottSimmons> +1 >> >> <brinkwoman> ok >> >> Face to face meetings schedule >> >> Jeremy, Scott, Francois and I have come up with two options: >> >> 1) >> >> - One f2f in jan/feb, location tbd (I could host again at >> Geonovum, other offers welcome) >> >> - One at OGC TC 4-8 June at Fort Collins, Colorado >> >> - One at TPAC in Lyon in October. >> >> The advantage of this scenario is that not all f2f meetings are >> in Europe in this option. We add a meeting in Jan/Feb because >> otherwise we have to wait until June for our first f2f, which >> may slow our momentum. >> >> 2) >> >> - One at OGC TC in 19-23 March in Orleans >> >> - One at TPAC in Lyon in October >> >> The advantage is that we only have to travel two times for f2f >> meetings, and they're nicely distributed over the year. >> However, both are in Europe. >> >> <jtandy> Option 1 votes? >> >> <billroberts> +1 (because I think it's good to have a first >> meeting soonish if poss) >> >> <brinkwoman> +0 >> >> <ScottSimmons> +1 >> >> <tidoust> +1 >> >> <jtandy> Option 2 votes? >> >> <brinkwoman> +0 >> >> <ScottSimmons> +0 >> >> <tidoust> +1 (works for me as well) >> >> <billroberts> +0 >> >> <MichaelGordon> +1 (works for me as well) >> >> <ScottSimmons> * I just want to buy the beer at the one in Fort >> Collins >> >> <MichaelGordon> No one is going to stop you >> >> <MichaelGordon> :) >> >> jtandy: seems a small preference for Option 1. Anyone not >> happy? >> … no objections, so let's go with that >> >> <brinkwoman> found possible dates: >> >> <brinkwoman> feb 1 and 2 >> >> <brinkwoman> feb 6 and 7 >> >> <brinkwoman> feb 19 and 20 >> >> <MichaelGordon> 19/20 +1 >> >> <jtandy> 19/20 +1 >> >> <brinkwoman> fine with 3rd option >> >> <tidoust> 19/20 +1 >> >> <billroberts> 19/20 +1 >> >> <ScottSimmons> I'm likely only remote on the Feb meeting >> >> <ScottSimmons> 19/20 better >> >> <brinkwoman> great! >> >> jtandy: Linda and I will take some actions to plan a meeting in >> Amersfoort on 19/20 Feb >> >> <brinkwoman> yep will take the lead >> >> jtandy: one more item on the agenda, but we're over time >> >> tidoust: Michael Collins from the W3C accessibility group >> commented on work on accessibility in maps and for directions >> … i.e. how to get from point A to point B >> … I'm happy to investigate ideas around accessibility of maps >> with teh accessibility team >> >> <brinkwoman> I think it would be great if you can do that >> Francois >> >> PeterRushforth: Google has done a lot of work on making their >> maps accessible so would be great to have some involvement of >> their map people >> >> jtandy: notes that Ed Parsons is a member of this group. Would >> be interesting also to connect to other map vendors >> >> jtandy: Francois can make an initial outline of what would be >> relevant and then we can see how that fits in the schedule >> … let's raise it in the public list >> … and we will add it (tentatively) to the work plan >> >> AOB? >> >> None >> >> <MichaelGordon> Issue I was to raise is raised here: >> [15]https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/991 >> >> [15] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/991 >> >> <brinkwoman> Thank you all, next time I'll try to have sound >> again! >> >> Summary of Action Items >> >> 1. [16]Francois to add a redirect from w3.org to the GitHub >> page >> >> >> >> >> >> This email is only intended for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. 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