Re: [Minutes] Spatial Data on the Web IG Call - 2018-01-03

Same here. In fact, I will be back at work on the 8th and start the work 
soon thereafter.

On 01/05/2018 02:20 PM, Armin Haller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Very late apologies from me for the call. I forgot to put it in my calendar and missed to get up that early in the year. Regarding the SSN primer, we have not made any progress on the primer document yet, but we are very close to submit a journal paper on the SSN ontology which includes some sections that can serve at least as a starting point for the primer document. I anticipate a start on the primer in early Feb.
>
> Cheers,
> Armin
>
> On 5/1/18, 8:06 pm, "Francois Daoust" <fd@w3.org> wrote:
>
>      Hi,
>      
>      The minutes of our first plenary call for 2018 on Wednesday this week are available at:
>      https://www.w3.org/2018/01/03-sdw-minutes.html
>      
>      ... and copied as raw text below. Note the current plan to hold a F2F on 19/20 February hosted by Geonovum. More details to come.
>      
>      Thanks,
>      Francois.
>      
>      --
>      Spatial Data on the Web IG call
>      03 January 2018
>      
>         [2]Agenda [3]IRC log
>      
>            [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2017Dec/0014.html
>            [3] https://www.w3.org/2018/01/03-sdw-irc
>      
>      Attendees
>      
>         Present
>                billroberts, Francois_Daoust, George_Percivall, jtandy,
>                Linda, Michael_Gordon, Peter_Rushforth, ScottSimmons
>      
>         Regrets
>      
>         Chair
>                Jeremy, Linda
>      
>         Scribe
>                billroberts
>      
>      Contents
>      
>           * [4]Meeting Minutes
>               1. [5]Tools and web pages for SDW-IG
>               2. [6]Updates from each active workstream
>               3. [7]Update from OGC TC meeting in Palmerston North
>               4. [8]Face to face meetings schedule
>           * [9]Summary of Action Items
>      
>      Meeting Minutes
>      
>         Approve minutes of last meeting?
>      
>         <billroberts> +1
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> +1
>      
>         <jtandy> +1
>      
>         <brinkwoman> +1
>      
>         <tidoust> +1
>      
>         Minutes approved
>      
>      Tools and web pages for SDW-IG
>      
>         <tidoust> [10]Issue #990 Updates to SDW IG home page
>      
>           [10] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/990
>      
>         Jeremy: took an action at last meeting to update the approach
>         to the web page, so we were not always dependent on Francois to
>         update it
>         … considered using Jekyll and Markdown but concluded that
>         because the requirements are so simple (just one page) there
>         was not much extra benefit from using Jekyll
>         … agendas and minutes get published to a permanent URL using
>         existing tools, so the home page can just link to those
>      
>         Jeremy: For each individual project, we can use pages within
>         the repository to share information
>      
>         <jtandy> [11]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/sdwig-homepage.html
>      
>           [11] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/sdwig-homepage.html
>      
>         Jeremy has created a new version of the home page in github,
>         more or less identical to the original one that Francois
>         created and added links to current versions of the main
>         documents
>      
>         Jeremy: would a web page like this, plus mailing list for
>         agendas, plus markdown pages in the repository meet our needs?
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> +1
>      
>         <billroberts> +1
>      
>         <jtandy> +1
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> +1
>      
>         <brinkwoman> I only looked for a minute, but +1 I think
>      
>         Francois is happy with it, and will let us know if any specific
>         requirements from W3C arise at a later date (there are no
>         specific ones at the moment)
>      
>         Jeremy: Francois, can you redirect the sdwig home page URL to
>         the github pages?
>      
>         Action: Francois to add a redirect from w3.org to the GitHub
>         page
>      
>         <trackbot> Created ACTION-379 - Add a redirect from w3.org to
>         the github page [on François Daoust - due 2018-01-10].
>      
>      Updates from each active workstream
>      
>      2.1 REC track errata
>      
>         Francois: no work has been done but a couple of issues have
>         been raised against the time ontology and no response to those
>         yet
>         … it would be good for Chris and/or Simon to consider those
>      
>         Jeremy: Chris is not yet back to work after the holidays
>         … so let's ping people via the mailing list
>      
>         Francois will assign those issues to Chris and Simon
>      
>      2.2 Statistical data on the web
>      
>         billroberts: Not much to report on Stats on the Web BP. Last
>         call became a dial-in to the geosemantic session of NZ meeting.
>         … We mostly advertized our work to OGC people
>         … Apart from that, goal is to collect use cases and
>         requirements.
>         … I hope we'll have some new material to discuss for next call
>         on January 10th.
>         … Content with the progress for now.
>         … We have an enthusiastic group.
>         … I'll create milestones so that we can track progress.
>      
>      2.3 SSN Primer
>      
>         Armin is not on the call today.
>      
>         no-one else is aware of progress
>      
>      2.4 Describing moving objects
>      
>         Jano is due to lead this adn is not on the call
>      
>         no-one on the call knows about progress
>      
>      2.5 Spatial data on the web BP
>      
>         MichaelGordon: we had a good call before Christmas and
>         discussed the range of activities the group could do
>         … most of the call was around how to encourage adoption of the
>         BPs and how to evangelise about them
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> [12]https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/
>         bp/work-items-and-activities.md
>      
>           [12] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/bp/work-items-and-activities.md
>      
>         MichaelGordon: Following that meeting I had an action to write
>         up the ideas on a github page (link above)
>         … The next stage is to flesh out those headings and to put
>         together a 'comms plan'
>         … then pick one of the gaps in the best practices, already
>         identified, based on feedback and demand
>      
>         Jeremy: has there been much feedback so far?
>      
>         MichaelGordon: not much yet, but seeing some adoption and
>         references in the next WFS draft and Testbed 14
>      
>         MichaelGordon: so seeing early adopters in OGC and can reach
>         out to them for some focused feedback
>         … Some members of the group have already implemented some of
>         the BPs and so can give feedback from that
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> WFS / FES
>      
>         ScottSimmons: SDWBP document was the motivation for the setting
>         up of the OGC WFS/FES working group, developing the WFS3.0
>         specficiation and also working with ISO TC211
>      
>         <brinkwoman> I'm really happy that we have had this impact
>      
>         Jtandy: that deserves a round of applause!
>      
>         <brinkwoman> we could talk to some early adopters of OGC at the
>         next TC meeting
>      
>         <brinkwoman> organize a short session
>      
>         jtandy: yes that's a good idea
>      
>         jtandy: Michael could you please add a github issue to do as
>         Linda suggests
>      
>         jtandy: I've been talking to Met Office colleagues about API
>         patterns
>         … and making them more aware of the SDWBP
>         … which I hope will lead to some feedback for Michael's stream
>         of work
>      
>         MichaelGordon: agree that examples and feedback will be a
>         valuable addition to the BPs themselves
>         … The next call is in 2 weeks and at that point we can
>         structure these activities and agree who is leading on what
>      
>         jtandy: Suggest that, as with Bill's work, it would be good to
>         define where the group should be in say 2 months from now
>         … as we noticed in the previous working group that keeping up
>         the tempo of work proved really important for getting
>         engagement
>      
>      2.6 QB4ST
>      
>         Rob Atkinson is leading that and not on the call. Anyone else
>         knows anything?
>      
>         ...no
>      
>      2.7 EO-QB
>      
>         jtandy: none of the editors of that have engaged with this
>         group yet, so I'll take an action to talk to Kerry, Dimitri and
>         Sam and see if they plan to do more on it
>      
>      Update from OGC TC meeting in Palmerston North
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 1. Revise OGC TC Policies and Procedures to
>         include "authoritative" SDOs (other than just ISO) for
>         submittal of standards to OGC; W3C is explicitly mentioned as a
>         likely example.
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 2. OpenAPI: at least two SWGs (WFS and WPS) are
>         now using OpenAPI to define their next generation of standards.
>         TC agreed not to mandate OpenAPI as the API definition method,
>         but to recommend use of OpenAPI. Still issues with version 2
>         vs. 3. OGC will need to develop some guidance and likely policy
>         around use of API definition methods (at a minimum, align with
>         the Modular Spec).
>      
>         <jtandy> OpenAPI ... Swagger as was
>      
>         jtandy: OpenAPI is developed by a 'de facto' standards
>         organisation, a vendor-led group. Has OGC talked to this group?
>      
>         ScottSimmons: George Percival is on the call today and we have
>         discussed this, including whether OGC should join the OpenAPI
>         group
>         … OpenAPI may not be as open as some groups
>         … OGC has good experience with Swagger
>      
>         gperciva: They seemed quite open to discussions, but suggested
>         OGC just joins as a fee-paying member rather than a
>         collaboration of SDOs
>         … may be worth discussing that again with them
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 3. Agreed to merge Metadata and Catalog DWGs.
>         The GeoDCAT subgroup will fall under this new DWG. Scope will
>         initially be that of both charters, but a new charter needs to
>         be created. Looking for chairs. Expect close cooperation from
>         this DWG and perhaps a GeoDCAT Community standard.
>      
>         jtandy: is there an action for this group to help link W3C and
>         OGC activities on DCAT/GeoDCAT?
>      
>         ScottSimmons: it is probably a bit early for that
>      
>         jtandy: Andrea Perrego could be a useful person to make that
>         happen
>         … can we put this on the agenda of the next OGC TC in Orleans ?
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 4. Security DWG working more directly with W3C
>         Web Security IG (Andreas Mattheus)
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 5. New technology trends being evaluated: a.
>         autonomous vehicles and autonomous navigation systems (emphasis
>         on ground and marine); b. "just in time" analytics - delivering
>         what can be delivered in the time allowed
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 6. More interest in joint OGC-W3C pilot on
>         Augmented Reality: [13]http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/
>         pressreleases/2697
>      
>           [13] http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/2697
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 7. Datacubes - is there a need for a new DWG?
>         Consider CovJSON work and other webby efforts, not just
>         traditional coverages
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 8. Restarting Oblique Imagery DWG - emphasis
>         will be on web service of imagery; likely will be renamed
>         "Perspective Imagery"
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 9. Statistical Data on the Web: definitely
>         interest from OGC members, some continuing concern about trying
>         to create a statistics DWG in the OGC as most members see
>         "geostatistics" as being domain-driven. So maybe the larger
>         discussions being led in W3C might be just fine.
>      
>         Peter Rushforth: are there compatibility issues when moving
>         from existing services?
>      
>         ...the MappingML activity has been document focused
>      
>         ...APIs are not always consistent with the way that browsers
>         work. Is there a document based approach already in
>         consideration?
>      
>         ScottSimmons: the OpenAPI efforts are around making the
>         services more 'RESTful'. These have built on the existing OGC
>         standards
>         … so relatively straightforward to adapt existing definitions
>         to make them more developer friendly
>         … There's nothing to stop us taking a document based approach
>         where that seems the best way
>      
>         <gperciva> Useful to think about "document oriented maps" to
>         motivate and charcterize MapML
>      
>         <gperciva> Use of the SSN Ontology and Jano’s work on Moving
>         objects in the ESIP Drone community. Developing ontology for
>         science data acquisition by airborne drones. Issues about
>         provenance and data collection management. VOCamp session in
>         November; Discussion at AGU in December; and ESIP Winter
>         meeting next week: "Joint session between the Semantic Web
>         cluster and Drone Cluster: Applying semantic tech to sUAS data”
>         [14]http://sched.co/D6DQ
>      
>           [14] http://sched.co/D6DQ
>      
>         ESIP: Earth Science Information Partnership
>      
>         Next plenary call: will discuss dates on the mailing list
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> +1
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> +1
>      
>         <brinkwoman> ok
>      
>      Face to face meetings schedule
>      
>         Jeremy, Scott, Francois and I have come up with two options:
>      
>         1)
>      
>         - One f2f in jan/feb, location tbd (I could host again at
>         Geonovum, other offers welcome)
>      
>         - One at OGC TC 4-8 June at Fort Collins, Colorado
>      
>         - One at TPAC in Lyon in October.
>      
>         The advantage of this scenario is that not all f2f meetings are
>         in Europe in this option. We add a meeting in Jan/Feb because
>         otherwise we have to wait until June for our first f2f, which
>         may slow our momentum.
>      
>         2)
>      
>         - One at OGC TC in 19-23 March in Orleans
>      
>         - One at TPAC in Lyon in October
>      
>         The advantage is that we only have to travel two times for f2f
>         meetings, and they're nicely distributed over the year.
>         However, both are in Europe.
>      
>         <jtandy> Option 1 votes?
>      
>         <billroberts> +1 (because I think it's good to have a first
>         meeting soonish if poss)
>      
>         <brinkwoman> +0
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> +1
>      
>         <tidoust> +1
>      
>         <jtandy> Option 2 votes?
>      
>         <brinkwoman> +0
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> +0
>      
>         <tidoust> +1 (works for me as well)
>      
>         <billroberts> +0
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> +1 (works for me as well)
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> * I just want to buy the beer at the one in Fort
>         Collins
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> No one is going to stop you
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> :)
>      
>         jtandy: seems a small preference for Option 1. Anyone not
>         happy?
>         … no objections, so let's go with that
>      
>         <brinkwoman> found possible dates:
>      
>         <brinkwoman> feb 1 and 2
>      
>         <brinkwoman> feb 6 and 7
>      
>         <brinkwoman> feb 19 and 20
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> 19/20 +1
>      
>         <jtandy> 19/20 +1
>      
>         <brinkwoman> fine with 3rd option
>      
>         <tidoust> 19/20 +1
>      
>         <billroberts> 19/20 +1
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> I'm likely only remote on the Feb meeting
>      
>         <ScottSimmons> 19/20 better
>      
>         <brinkwoman> great!
>      
>         jtandy: Linda and I will take some actions to plan a meeting in
>         Amersfoort on 19/20 Feb
>      
>         <brinkwoman> yep will take the lead
>      
>         jtandy: one more item on the agenda, but we're over time
>      
>         tidoust: Michael Collins from the W3C accessibility group
>         commented on work on accessibility in maps and for directions
>         … i.e. how to get from point A to point B
>         … I'm happy to investigate ideas around accessibility of maps
>         with teh accessibility team
>      
>         <brinkwoman> I think it would be great if you can do that
>         Francois
>      
>         PeterRushforth: Google has done a lot of work on making their
>         maps accessible so would be great to have some involvement of
>         their map people
>      
>         jtandy: notes that Ed Parsons is a member of this group. Would
>         be interesting also to connect to other map vendors
>      
>         jtandy: Francois can make an initial outline of what would be
>         relevant and then we can see how that fits in the schedule
>         … let's raise it in the public list
>         … and we will add it (tentatively) to the work plan
>      
>         AOB?
>      
>         None
>      
>         <MichaelGordon> Issue I was to raise is raised here:
>         [15]https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/991
>      
>           [15] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/991
>      
>         <brinkwoman> Thank you all, next time I'll try to have sound
>         again!
>      
>      Summary of Action Items
>      
>          1. [16]Francois to add a redirect from w3.org to the GitHub
>             page
>      
>      
>      
>      
>

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