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[Minutes] 2016-10-05

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:05:23 +0100
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As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2016/10/05-sdw-minutes with a text snapshot below.

Please note that:

- The next plenary meeting will be on 19th October at 20:00 UTC

This is *before* daylight saving time has ended in the US and EU.

Therefore, check the time in your time zone at
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1

The agenda for that meeting is expected to include votes to publish the 
final version of the UCR and the next iteration of the BP doc.


           Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

05 Oct 2016

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/10/05-sdw-irc

Attendees

    Present
           kerry, phila, ByronCinNZ, DanhLePhuoc, joshlieberman,
           MattPerry, ChrisLittle, AndreaPerego, jtandy,
           ClausStadler, Danh

    Regrets
           rachel, simoncox, lars, Clemens, eparsons, Linda, Bill

    Chair
           kerry

    Scribe
           phila

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Approving last week's minutes
          2. [5]approve minutes
             http://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-sdw-minutes.html
          3. [6]approve day 2 tpac minutes
             https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html
          4. [7]Changing time zones: proposed next plenary and
             following fortnights at 19th October 2016 20:00 GMT
             i.e
             http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?m
             sg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1 (this is
             returning to the schedule for the opposite season we
             used at the beginning of the year. Please be prepared
             to suggest alternatives if you wish but staying as now
             is not an option, as this week's meeting starts at
             midnight in eastern Australia.)
          5. [8]Next PWD of UCR coming very soon
          6. [9]Next PWD of BP coming very soon
          7. [10]INSPIRE (Ed? Clemens? Andrea?)
          8. [11]AOB
          9. [12]https namespaces
      * [13]Summary of Action Items
      * [14]Summary of Resolutions
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    <ChrisLittle> * great that JT is target driven!

    <kerry> regrets billroberts, jonblower, clemensportele,
    lindavandenbrink, frans

    <ChrisLittle> * I see 8 on IRC

    <joshlieberman> The OGC abstract specs are here:
    [15]http://www.opengeospatial.org/docs/as

      [15] http://www.opengeospatial.org/docs/as

    [16]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/

      [16] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/

    <scribe> scribe: phila

    <kerry> scribe: phila

    <scribe> scribeNick: phila

Approving last week's minutes

    <jtandy> that's TPAC right?

approve minutes [17]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-sdw-minutes.html

      [17] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-sdw-minutes.html

    <jtandy> yes

    <ByronCinNZ> +1

    <jtandy> yes the meeting was short - I remember Linda saying so

    RESOLUTION: approve minutes

    <ChrisLittle> +0 not present

    <jtandy> +0 (not there myself)

    phila: Meeting was only 15 minutes on 14/9
    ... Shall we approve TPAC minutes

    <joshlieberman> +0 not present for either

    phila: Minutes of 14 Sept so trivial, not an issue

    -> [18]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-sdw-minutes.html TPAC Day
    1

      [18] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-sdw-minutes.html

    -> [19]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html Day 2

      [19] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html

    phila: Some of my scribing around SSN was not good.

    <AndreaPerego> Same issue with mine about the joint meeting
    with WoT IG

    kerry: Anyone have an opinion?
    ... Day 1 was approved on day 2

approve day 2 tpac minutes
[20]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html

      [20] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html

    kerry: Not appropriate to reapprove them here
    ... Any comments on day 2

    joshlieberman: Procedural issue - I'm a little disappointed
    that the meetings were at the same time (TPAC and OGC)
    ... So it was not possible for a number of us to attend the
    TPAC F2F.
    ... It would be helpful therefore to revisit some of the
    decisions taken at TPAC. Not to overturn, but to reaffirm them.
    ... Don't know what the procedure might be.

    kerry: I'm sympathetic, but there are always meetings one can't
    attend where decisions are taken. I'm often in that position
    myself.
    ... It's possible to re-look at a decision, but I don't think
    we can nobble our decision making process. In last week's SSN
    meeting, we went through those SSN decisions in Lisbon
    ... Yes, we can't all attend al the meetings all the time

    phila: Can I suggest you look at the resolutions from TPAC and
    raise issues if you think it necessary.
    ... Rambles on about raising issues and wanting everyone to be
    happy.

    kerry: We always ask for agenda items. Please let me know if
    you want an issue on an agenda.

    joshlieberman: So it sounds like the best thing is to raise an
    issue?
    ... That can then serve as an agenda item.

    kerry: Yes, but please also ask for it to be put on an agenda
    at a time that suits you.

    <ChrisLittle> NOTUC

    <kerry> resolve: approve minutes
    [21]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html

      [21] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-sdw-minutes.html

    joshlieberman: OGC has the concept of No Objections To
    Unanimous Consent (NOTUC)

    <kerry> patent call:
    [22]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [22] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

    RESOLUTION: There being NOTUC, minutes of TPAC Day 2 are
    approved.

Changing time zones: proposed next plenary and following fortnights
at 19th October 2016 20:00 GMT i.e
[23]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Ca
ll&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1 (this is returning to the schedule
for the opposite season we used at the beginning of the year. Please
be prepared to suggest alternatives if you wish but staying as now is
not an option, as this week's meeting starts at midnight in eastern
Australia.)

      [23] 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1

    kerry: Time zones are changing for the opposite seasons. It's
    00:24 tomorrow here in Canberra.

    <ChrisLittle> +1 to new time

    kerry: So my suggestion is for plenary meetings to start at
    20:00 UTC as of 2 weeks' time.

    <ByronCinNZ> Big +1 from me

    +1 from me, it's what we're use to. Let's move on

    <jtandy> +1

    <MattPerry> +1 from me

    <AndreaPerego> +1

    <joshlieberman> +1

    phila: Notes that it's 01:26 tomorrow for ByronCinNZ

    jtandy: That's the time for plenary call. The sub groups will
    continue at the time that makes sense to them.

    kerry: Confirmed

    <kerry> +1

    kerry: The change *only* applies to the plenary calls

    <jtandy> thank you

    RESOLUTION: Changing time zones: proposed next plenary and
    following fortnights at 19th October 2016 20:00 GMT i.e
    [24]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SD
    WWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1

      [24] 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1

    RESOLUTION: Plenary meetings (only) will move to 20:00 UTC as
    of 19 October

    RESOLUTION: Daylight savings is a terrible idea.

    <ChrisLittle> * UTC rules!

    phila: makes general warwning about DST not having ended on
    19/10 in Europe and US

Next PWD of UCR coming very soon

    kerry: We did some final issue closing at TPAC
    ... Frans has since actioned those changes and made some
    cosmetic changes
    ... He posted on the list along the lines of "we're ready to
    go"
    ... So we're looking for approval in 2 weeks' time to go ahead
    and publish. We expect this to be the final version.
    ... This is an OCG Discussion Paper/W3C Note

Next PWD of BP coming very soon

    phila: No process issues here. WG has 2 weeks to review.

    kerry: State of gthe BP doc is that it has changed a lot since
    the previous public WD. Not yet complete, but has progressed a
    lot.
    ... We propose similarly that it will be ready for a public WD
    that we can vote on during 19/10 meeting
    ... What's the stability, Jeremy?

    jtandy: All the actions that we agreed on the end of the 1st
    day *except* phila's bits
    ... Bill is working on the glossary and hopes to have it done
    my Monday, or it will have to wait until next iteration.
    ... I'm incorporating Payam's changes on CRSs now

    phila: I'm working on it now. Will complete immediately after
    this meeting.

    <scribe> ... Pending Bill's glossary updates.

    kerry: So if you, Jeremy, can write to the list when it's
    ready?

    jtandy: I will email the list when we're good to go.

    kerry: So I invite everyone to look at it as soon as Jeremy
    sends that mail.Expcet to vote in 2 week's time.

INSPIRE (Ed? Clemens? Andrea?)

    <AndreaPerego> I would add an item in the agenda of the next
    call.

    kerry: So... with relevant people absent... Oh... Andrea *is*
    here...

    AndreaPerego: The problem is that I wasn't there. It was Ed and
    Clemens

    kerry: OK, we'll bring it back to another agenda.

AOB

    kerry: Anyone have anything (I do)

    <jtandy> nothing from me

    kerry: So can I talk about HTTPS?

https namespaces

    kerry: The issue is for the time ontology and SSN et al...
    ... the question is about the transition to TLS and what that
    means for an ontology.
    ... My view was that is your namepsace is new, you may as well
    take the opportunity to move to https
    ... It's only been there for the lifetime of this group.
    ... I understood the advice to be to use HTTPS if you're
    starting anew.
    ... It affects the group more broadly

    <joshlieberman> Can a webserver not redirect http to https?

    <joshlieberman> The user agent needs the root cert in order to
    accept an https connection...

    phila: Maxime raised this at
    [25]https://github.com/perma-id/w3id.org/issues/528

      [25] https://github.com/perma-id/w3id.org/issues/528

    joshlieberman: There's no difference in terms of a URI in terms
    of an id, it's when you treat it as a URL that issues arise.
    ... Yes, https is good but there are issues around what the
    process is, what the authentication mechanism is etc.
    ... So I argue for http URIs, provided that the server will
    upgrade to https if supported.

    phila: That's what we say too, yes.
    ... Stick with http and let the smarts handle it - until we
    have https everywhere.

    kerry: I'm willing to go with the flow, but it still seems more
    rational to me to go for https as we have the opportunity to do
    so.
    ... The downside is, if you want a secure resolution... willing
    to take advice. Looks like the advice is to use http for now

    <ChrisLittle> +1 for HTTP

    PROPOSED: That our vocabularies use HTTP URIs as namespaces

    <DanhLePhuoc> +1 for HTTP

    <jtandy> +1

    <kerry> +1

    <ByronCinNZ> +1

    +1

    <joshlieberman> +1

    <AndreaPerego> +1

    <ClausStadler> +1

    RESOLUTION: That our vocabularies use HTTP URIs as namespaces

    <ChrisLittle> No

    <kerry> aob?

    kerry: Any other other business?

    <jtandy> me says thanks!

    <joshlieberman> Phila - now that I've looked at your posts re:
    HTTP, thanks for letting me parrot them

    <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!

    [Adjourned]

    <joshlieberman> bye

    <kerry> bye!

    <ByronCinNZ> bye

    <ChrisLittle> Bye

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [26]approve minutes
     2. [27]There being NOTUC, minutes of TPAC Day 2 are approved.
     3. [28]Changing time zones: proposed next plenary and
        following fortnights at 19th October 2016 20:00 GMT i.e
        http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SD
        WWG+Call&iso=20161019T20&p1=1440&ah=1
     4. [29]Plenary meetings (only) will move to 20:00 UTC as of 19
        October
     5. [30]Daylight savings is a terrible idea.
     6. [31]That our vocabularies use HTTP URIs as namespaces

    [End of minutes]
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