- From: Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>
- Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 23:47:15 +0000
- To: Krzysztof Janowicz <jano@geog.ucsb.edu>, Joshua Lieberman <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>, Simon Cox <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>, Armin Haller <armin.haller@anu.edu.au>
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Correct me if I'm wrong here: :myClass a owl:Class, rdfs:Class is the same as :myClass a owl:Class if you are using OWL reasoning. If you are using RDFS reasoning (and tools like RDF4J support this) - then these statements are not the same - and only the first one helps you with any RDFS reasoning. So why cant we just use the first form? The principle would be that the "core" would not _require_ OWL reasoning to provide a RDFS model. It doenst mean we don't model in OWL, just that we take on the responsibility of materialising OWL entailments sufficient to allow any RDFS entailments. (Thats what I mean about a "contract" with the user - being explicit about what entailments are theer responsibility Note that is we state: :myClass a rdfs:Class and say: :myClass owl:equivalentClass eg:yourClass then if you use OWL reasoning you get :myClass a owl:Class, rdfs:Class because owl:equivalentClass rdfs:domain owl:Class owl:equivalentClass rdfs:range owl:Class Therefore, if you don't explicitly state its an owl:Class you can still do OWL reasoning and you have lost nothing - but if you don't explicity state its and RDFS class then you wont get the full RDFS expressible semantics without OWL reasoning. statements such as owl:inverseOf are just documentation for RDFS interpretations, and perhaps "do no harm"? am I missing something here? note that we can then have sosa-owl-dl and other OWL flavours as vertical modules that require OWL reasoning to be fully understood. Rob Atkinson On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 at 10:01 Krzysztof Janowicz <jano@geog.ucsb.edu> wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for being so picky about this during our meeting but I do not want > us to take decisions that have consequences that we can not yet foresee. > > To the best of my knowledge (and please correct me if I am wrong): > > Under the semantics of OWL1, rdfs:class and owl:class are only equivalent > for OWL-Full. For OWL-DL (and OWL-Lite) owl:class is a subclass of > rdfs:class. > > This means that every valid document in OWL will be a valid document in > RDFS, however *not* every rdfs:class is an owl:class. I do not want us to > end up in OWL-Full because of this. > > For OWL2, I found this: 'owl:Class rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:Class . " ( > https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-rdf-based-semantics/). Things may be more > complicated here due to OWL2 punning and they may well turn out to be > equivalent, I will check this later. > > If we decide to restrict ourself to only using RDFS for SOSA-core, and I > am not in favor of this, then we may have to go with rdfs:class. However, > we have not yet taken this decision and have also not discussed which > axioms and language to use for SSN. As Sosa-core and SSN will be aligned, > this may have more consequences that we should consider. It also seems like > many of us are in favor of using inverseOf, so we would be using OWL (and > its formal semantics) anyway. Note that this does not do any harm to an > RDFS-only tool/user as for those the inverseOf axiom will simply have no > formal semantics. Still all other triples that use both relations will > still be just fine. > > Given the subclasssing, I do not see any problems using owl:class, but we > may accidentally end up in OWL-full or with being incompatible to the > standards if we opt for rdfs:class. Again, I am happy to be corrected. At > least, I do not see harm in simply using owl:class. > > Finally, and from very pragmatic point of view: ontologies that are under > very heavy use such as the DBpedia ontology simply use owl:class and I have > not yet seen any issues or complaints about that. See, for example, > http://dbpedia.org/ontology/City "dbo:City rdf:type owl:Class ." > The same is true for the goodrelations ontology and so forth (but I admit > that this is due to the more complex axiomatization they use). > > I hope this will start a productive discussion. > > Thanks for reading, > Krzysztof > > >
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