Re: ssn "not machine readable"

I will catch up on the discussion asap and will try to answer this and 
the other questions (also on why SSN Core should be in RDFS and how the 
vertical layering could work by using semantic hooks (essentially 
subclassing).

Jano

On 05/18/2016 05:51 AM, Joshua Lieberman wrote:
> Jano,
>
> What do you think are the relative merits of guarded restrictions 
> versus restricted sub properties?
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu 
> <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I am sure you have very good reasons to use global restrictions.
>>
>> I am not in favor of global domain and range restrictions because 90% 
>> of all people get them wrong and due to their inferential semantics 
>> this leads to unintended consequences. Most people believe that a 
>> global domain or range restriction on a certain property adds 
>> something to the definition of said property why this is absolutely 
>> not the case. Guarded restrictions, however, seem very helpful.
>>
>>> The core problem with ontologies is once they are developed, people 
>>> tend to look at the ontology structure with their eyes and use their 
>>> own codes instead the real ontology structure to annotate their data. 
>>
>> Ontology is set out to minimize exactly this, namely that people look 
>> at domain vocabulary through their own eyes. This is also why I 
>> proposed a stronger axiomatization for some of the modules that makes 
>> full use of OWL2 (see e.g., the proposed property chain on the wiki). 
>> At the same time most scenarios will not make use of these features. 
>> Thus, the core SSN should ideally be in RDFS or OWL-EL.  Of course, 
>> ontologies will not and cannot fix meaning but they can restrict the 
>> interpretation of terms towards their intended interpretation and 
>> thereby substantially improve semantic interoperability.
>>
>> Best,
>> Krzysztof
>>
>>
>> On 05/17/2016 04:41 PM, s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Krzysztof,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure you have very good reasons to use global restrictions. If 
>>> you could send me some links, I will be happy to read the good 
>>> things about global restrictions and how it could be parsed using 
>>> (python) libraries, such as rdflib. The title of e-mail is a rather 
>>> strong argument and doesn’t completely reflect what I meant. The 
>>> core problem with ontologies is once they are developed, people tend 
>>> to look at the ontology structure with their eyes and use their own 
>>> codes instead the real ontology structure to annotate their data. 
>>> Due to human error, we end up having a big messy ill-defined 
>>> annotated linked data. I have stated this issue with SSN validator 
>>> (http://iot3.ee.surrey.ac.uk/SSNValidation/) as well as SAOPY 
>>> library 
>>> (http://iot.ee.surrey.ac.uk/citypulse/ontologies/sao/saopy.html), 
>>> where a user can either validate its data or prevent having syntax 
>>> errors during the annotation process. However, during my 
>>> investigation and development, I faced with lots of difficulty to 
>>> parse and extract the structure of the SSN ontology including object 
>>> properties and their links to concepts.
>>>
>>> I hope this e-mail clarifies what are the possible problems if the 
>>> SSN ontology is being mapped (e.g. annotation libraries) or guarded 
>>> (e.g. validation tools) by machines.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Sefki Kolozali
>>> Research Fellow
>>> Institute for Communication Systems (ICS), home of the 5G Innovation 
>>> Centre
>>> University of Surrey
>>> Guildford, Surrey, GU2 7XH, United Kingdom
>>> Tel: +44 (0)1483 689490
>>>
>>> E-mail: s.kolozali@s <mailto:s.kolozali@qmul.ac.uk>urrey.ac.uk 
>>> <http://urrey.ac.uk>
>>> http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ics/ <http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ccsr/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 17 May 2016, at 23:53, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu 
>>>> <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand how the lack of global domain and range 
>>>> restrictions make SSN not machine readable. Also, there are many 
>>>> good reasons not to include global range and domain restrictions 
>>>> (and for adding guarded restrictions instead).
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Krzysztof
>>>>
>>>> On 05/17/2016 03:39 PM, s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kerry,
>>>>>
>>>>>     This was a problem that I had faced when I had to parse and 
>>>>> map the SSN ontology (along with a many other ontologies) into 
>>>>> SAOPY library that I have developed 
>>>>> (http://iot.ee.surrey.ac.uk/citypulse/ontologies/sao/saopy.html). 
>>>>> What I observed back then was the SSN ontology was missing all the 
>>>>> domain and range restrictions for object properties. I had stated 
>>>>> this problem to you in an e-mail and you had told me that it was 
>>>>> simply due to the fact that "SSN ontology is using global 
>>>>> restrictions instead of local restrictions". To solve this issue, 
>>>>> I had to add all the domain and range restrictions of object 
>>>>> properties one by one by going through and reading the comments in 
>>>>> the SSN ontology. I am happy to send my local SSN copy to you "if 
>>>>> you are interested in", which can save you a lot of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> An excerpt the SSN ontology:
>>>>> <!-- http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn#detects -->
>>>>>
>>>>> <owl:ObjectPropertyrdf:about="&ssn;detects">
>>>>> <rdfs:label>detects</rdfs:label>
>>>>> <rdfs:seeAlso>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton#Skeleton</rdfs:seeAlso>
>>>>> <rdfs:comment>A relation from a sensor to the Stimulus that the 
>>>>> sensor can detect.
>>>>> The Stimulus itself will be serving as a proxy for (see isProxyOf) 
>>>>> some observable property.</rdfs:comment>
>>>>> <rdfs:isDefinedBy>http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn</rdfs:isDefinedBy>
>>>>> </owl:ObjectProperty>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An excerpt from my local copy of the SSN ontology:
>>>>> <!-- http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn#detects -->
>>>>>
>>>>> <owl:ObjectPropertyrdf:about="&ssn;detects">
>>>>> <rdfs:label>detects</rdfs:label>
>>>>> <rdfs:seeAlso>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton#Skeleton</rdfs:seeAlso>
>>>>> <rdfs:comment>A relation from a sensor to the Stimulus that the 
>>>>> sensor can detect.
>>>>> The Stimulus itself will be serving as a proxy for (see isProxyOf) 
>>>>> some observable property.</rdfs:comment>
>>>>> <rdfs:isDefinedBy>http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn</rdfs:isDefinedBy>
>>>>> <rdfs:domainrdf:resource="&ssn;Sensor"/>
>>>>> <rdfs:rangerdf:resource="&ssn;SensorInput"/>
>>>>> <rdfs:rangerdf:resource="&ssn;Stimulus"/>
>>>>> </owl:ObjectProperty>
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it sounds like a fairly simple and straight forward 
>>>>> issue, it causes lots of issues when one attempts to parse and use 
>>>>> the SSN ontology in an automated way. The text written in the form 
>>>>> of rdfs:comments are helpful for people but local restrictions are 
>>>>> more helpful for machine interpretation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sefki Kolozali
>>>>> Research Fellow
>>>>> Institute for Communication Systems (ICS), home of the 5G 
>>>>> Innovation Centre
>>>>> University of Surrey
>>>>> Guildford, Surrey, GU2 7XH, United Kingdom
>>>>> Tel: +44 (0)1483 689490
>>>>>
>>>>> E-mail: s.kolozali@s <mailto:s.kolozali@qmul.ac.uk>urrey.ac.uk 
>>>>> <http://urrey.ac.uk/>
>>>>> http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ics/ <http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ccsr/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 May 2016, at 23:11, Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sefki,
>>>>>> Can you please explain further what you meant about failure of 
>>>>>>  “machine readability” with ssn as raised in the meeting today? 
>>>>>> Before that, can you do your test with this ssn 
>>>>>> herehttps://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/ as it seems likely to me that dul 
>>>>>> could have been the source of trouble and this is the new  (FPWD) 
>>>>>> version with dul removed.
>>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Krzysztof Janowicz
>>>>
>>>> Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>>>> 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>>>>
>>>> Email:jano@geog.ucsb.edu
>>>> Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
>>>> Semantic Web Journal:http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Krzysztof Janowicz
>>
>> Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>> 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>>
>> Email:jano@geog.ucsb.edu
>> Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
>> Semantic Web Journal:http://www.semantic-web-journal.net


-- 
Krzysztof Janowicz

Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060

Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu
Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
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