Re: How to proceed with work on the spatial ontology task?

Thanks Andrea, I will add those ideas (I did already add GeoShape). If you
come up with more ideas, please feel free to edit the wiki page. Everyone
can use it as a scratch pad.

Regards,
Frans


2016-05-19 14:39 GMT+02:00 Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>:

> Thanks, Frans.
>
> My two cents:
>
>
> 1. Geometry serialisations / datatypes
>
> Other examples to be taken into account include:
> - Geohash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash)
> - The geo: URI scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_URI_scheme)
> - The serialisation used in Schema.org - see, e.g.,
> http://schema.org/GeoShape
>
> On the other hand, I'm not sure the way NeoGeo models geometries can be
> considered a serialisation:
>
> http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo.html#vocabulary
>
>
> 2. Geometry descriptors
>
> I think we should include also the axis order. This should be implicitly
> specified by the CRS, but needs to be made explicit. Also, some platforms
> may use a default axis order irrespective of the CRS - if I'm not mistaken
> this is the case in PostGIS, where the default axis order is lon / lat.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> On 19/05/2016 13:12, Frans Knibbe wrote:
>
>> OK, I have just made a new wiki page
>> <https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Further_development_of_GeoSPARQL>
>> that links from the existing wiki page about the agreed spatial ontology
>> <https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/An_agreed_spatial_ontology>. The
>> page is about a specfic approach to how to achieve the spatial ontology
>> - we start with GeoSPARQL 1.0. That choice marks a significant narrowing
>> of scope, and I hope the scope can be narrowed even further. The new
>> wiki page is for collecting ideas on how we could further develop
>> GeoSPARQL. Hopefully some people with good ideas can contribute and
>> hopefully we can eventually align all ideas. Josh and Rob: Do you think
>> the new wiki page can be a good way forward, and if so, can you manage
>> to incorporate your ideas and information? If you agree this is a step
>> in the right direction we could the take some action to involve more
>> people in thinking along.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Frans
>>
>>
>> 2016-05-19 2:56 GMT+02:00 Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au
>> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>:
>>
>>     Having a very lightweight ontology that defines a "feature" would be
>>     a great start.  As a test case, I'd like to explore defining an
>>     RDF-Datacube dimension using such an ontology - the
>>     observation:featureOfInterest ontology. Personally, I dont think
>>     importing the full ISO 19150 ontology is a workable strategy - but
>>     one could have annotation properties (or an additional module) that
>>     handles the alignment to 19150.  At the moment I see many attempts -
>>     but nothing accepted by the community at large.
>>
>>     simply, one ought to be able to look at a dimension defined against
>>     a datatype, and/or set of objects, and discover that such objects a
>>     spatial features and thus the dimension supports operations relevant
>>     to spatial features - such as find the properties of such features
>>     and running a filter on them.
>>
>>     I'm happy to help shepherd this Use Case through the emerging plan -
>>     and verify the solution is implementable. I need this in the context
>>     of other BP work OGC is involved in.
>>
>>     Rob
>>
>>     On Thu, 19 May 2016 at 02:03 Joshua Lieberman
>>     <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         This is probably a type locality for W3C - OGC collaboration, as
>>         we should develop a GeoSPARQL change request and SWG charter
>>         that contains a proposed update to the feature data ontology
>>         part at least, that the SDWWG can then reference in BP. The
>>         charter could be considered at the OGC June meeting. The
>>         technical challenge (besides the usual simplicity vs capability)
>>           is that there is pretty good consensus on the concepts and
>>         principles, but we’re divided by the way those materialize in
>>         different encodings.
>>
>>         Josh
>>
>>
>>         On May 18, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com
>>>         <mailto:eparsons@google.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Frans I think it is up to you and Josh to suggest a way
>>>         forward, I would suggest you focus on a very strict scope of
>>>         documenting an ontology based on that used by GeoSPARQL,
>>>         perhaps just start with a shared document/wiki for comment ?
>>>
>>>         Ed
>>>
>>>         On Wed, 18 May 2016 at 10:42 Frans Knibbe
>>>         <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear chairpeople, Josh,
>>>
>>>             In the teleconference of 2016-04-27
>>>             <https://www.w3.org/2016/04/27-sdw-minutes> we discussed
>>>             the spatial ontology mentioned in the charter as a part of
>>>             the BP deliverable. Although no official actions or
>>>             resolutions were recorded, we did agree that working on
>>>             this topic was needed, that the work would be separate
>>>             from work on the BP document, that Josh and I would try to
>>>             take point and that we would take the current GeoSPARQL
>>>             standard as a starting point.
>>>
>>>             How can we take this forward? Should we first try to form
>>>             a group of interested people? Or should we just start
>>>             somewhere, for example by making a wish list for a next
>>>             version of GeoSPARQL, and making that interesting enough
>>>             for many people to get involved?
>>>
>>>             Regards,
>>>             Frans
>>>
>>>         --
>>>
>>>         *Ed Parsons *FRGS
>>>         Geospatial Technologist, Google
>>>
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>>>         www.edparsons.com <http://www.edparsons.com/> @edparsons
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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