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Re: ssn "not machine readable"

From: Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 00:45:01 +0000
Message-ID: <CACfF9LzyQ53xeTaygSmO3GKChM0NDiHqj5ri4zGVH=eYTsQKQw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au, kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au, janowicz@ucsb.edu, s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk
Cc: public-sdw-wg@w3.org
I like where this is going :-)

I think the establishment of the vocabulary allows many uses where no
further reasoning is required at run-time, but allowing it to be backed by
"vertical" modules that provide more value (constraints for validation and
to support data creation processes, inferences for exploitation use cases)
is a major step forward in terms of establishing a BP.  We can "have our
cake and eat it too" I hope.

I would be happy with a canonical SKOS representation of the normative
baseline ontology (this can be automated - for / URIs just re-use the
terms, for # uris replace with / and put an appropriate link back to the
#URI skos:exactMatch - but maybe owl:sameAs, dc:source or something else is
better?  )

This would make us free to decide what the core ontology should look like.
I'd be in favour of range restrictions where semantics are part of concept
definitions.  For example, the watershed (boundary) of a catchment might
have a property  xx:boundsCatchment that probably should not be allowed to
point to a youtube video of baby sloths.

I defer at this point to the experts to work out what the best canonical
form is - but let's remember the "this is just a vocabulary" view which
seems to match the broader Linked Data practice (except currently people
make up vocabularies or use and abuse existing ones becuase we dont have
good optiions available :-) )

Rob

On Thu, 19 May 2016 at 09:34 <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:

> Ø  What does schema.org do? I think it uses global domains and ranges.
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> In schema.org the predicates are ‘domain-includes’ and ‘range-includes’.
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> Classes specified in the domain or range are not exhaustive, and more can
> be added later.
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> In OWL terms,
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> ex:prop1 schema:domainIncludes ex:Class1 .
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> is more or less equivalent to
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> ex:prop1 rdfs:domain [
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> owl:unionOf (
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> ex:Class1
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> owl:Thing
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> ) ;
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>             ] ;
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> .
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> Simon
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> *From:* Kerry Taylor [mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 May 2016 2:47 AM
> *To:* janowicz@ucsb.edu; s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk
> *Cc:* public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: ssn "not machine readable"
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> This raises an interesting potential contradiction I have observed in the
> current SSN-redesign  discussions.
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> “Thus, the core SSN should ideally be in RDFS or OWL-EL. “
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> The thing is, RDFS can **only** express **global**  domain/range
> constraints or else none at all. OWL-EL  can do global and goes some way
> towards local but cannot do local range constraints in a meaningful way
> (i.e cannot do universally quantified restrictions).
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> So… let’s say we do the core in RDFS (and let’s assume by this we mean the
> intersection of RDFS and OWL-DL so that we do not get into trouble when we
> build on it further). Then  does this mean we are aiming to make life
> easier for the low-power –low-tooling –eye-balling applications and also
> have *no* constraints on object properties? Is that consistent with the
> intended applications?  This is fine by me –as the extension to
> locally-defined constraints with more language expressivity will work – but
> are we actually doing a disservice to the low-power –low-tooling
> –eye-balling applications by this? Or do such applications really require
> such constraints and so we  put them in the core and are thereby forced
> into  a position of global constraints everywhere?
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> What does schema.org do? I think it uses global domains and ranges.
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> Kerry
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> *From:* Krzysztof Janowicz [mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu <janowicz@ucsb.edu>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 May 2016 12:10 PM
> *To:* s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk
> *Cc:* Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: ssn "not machine readable"
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> Hi,
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> I am sure you have very good reasons to use global restrictions.
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> I am not in favor of global domain and range restrictions because 90% of
> all people get them wrong and due to their inferential semantics this leads
> to unintended consequences. Most people believe that a global domain or
> range restriction on a certain property adds something to the definition of
> said property why this is absolutely not the case. Guarded restrictions,
> however, seem very helpful.
>
> The core problem with ontologies is once they are developed, people tend
> to look at the ontology structure with their eyes and use their own codes
> instead the real ontology structure to annotate their data.
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> Ontology is set out to minimize exactly this, namely that people look at
> domain vocabulary through their own eyes. This is also why I proposed a
> stronger axiomatization for some of the modules that makes full use of OWL2
> (see e.g., the proposed property chain on the wiki). At the same time most
> scenarios will not make use of these features. Thus, the core SSN should
> ideally be in RDFS or OWL-EL.  Of course, ontologies will not and cannot
> fix meaning but they can restrict the interpretation of terms towards their
> intended interpretation and thereby substantially improve semantic
> interoperability.
>
> Best,
> Krzysztof
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> On 05/17/2016 04:41 PM, s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
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> Hi Krzysztof,
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> I am sure you have very good reasons to use global restrictions. If you
> could send me some links, I will be happy to read the good things about
> global restrictions and how it could be parsed using (python) libraries,
> such as rdflib. The title of e-mail is a rather strong argument and doesn’t
> completely reflect what I meant. The core problem with ontologies is once
> they are developed, people tend to look at the ontology structure with
> their eyes and use their own codes instead the real ontology structure to
> annotate their data. Due to human error, we end up having a big messy
> ill-defined annotated linked data. I have stated this issue with SSN
> validator (http://iot3.ee.surrey.ac.uk/SSNValidation/) as well as SAOPY
> library (http://iot.ee.surrey.ac.uk/citypulse/ontologies/sao/saopy.html),
> where a user can either validate its data or prevent having syntax errors
> during the annotation process. However, during my investigation and
> development, I faced with lots of difficulty to parse and extract the
> structure of the SSN ontology including object properties and their links
> to concepts.
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> I hope this e-mail clarifies what are the possible problems if the SSN
> ontology is being mapped (e.g. annotation libraries) or guarded (e.g.
> validation tools) by machines.
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> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sefki Kolozali
> Research Fellow
> Institute for Communication Systems (ICS), home of the 5G Innovation
> Centre
> University of Surrey
> Guildford, Surrey, GU2 7XH, United Kingdom
> Tel: +44 (0)1483 689490
>
> E-mail: s.kolozali@s <s.kolozali@qmul.ac.uk>urrey.ac.uk
>
> http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ics/ <http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ccsr/>
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> On 17 May 2016, at 23:53, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I do not understand how the lack of global domain and range restrictions
> make SSN not machine readable. Also, there are many good reasons not to
> include global range and domain restrictions (and for adding guarded
> restrictions instead).
>
> Best,
> Krzysztof
>
> On 05/17/2016 03:39 PM, s.kolozali@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
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> Hi Kerry,
>
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>
>     This was a problem that I had faced when I had to parse and map the
> SSN ontology (along with a many other ontologies) into SAOPY library that I
> have developed (
> http://iot.ee.surrey.ac.uk/citypulse/ontologies/sao/saopy.html). What I
> observed back then was the SSN ontology was missing all the domain and
> range restrictions for object properties. I had stated this problem to you
> in an e-mail and you had told me that it was simply due to the fact that
> "SSN ontology is using global restrictions instead of local restrictions".
> To solve this issue, I had to add all the domain and range restrictions of
> object properties one by one by going through and reading the comments in
> the SSN ontology. I am happy to send my local SSN copy to you "if you are
> interested in", which can save you a lot of time.
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> An excerpt the SSN ontology:
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>     <!-- http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn#detects -->
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>     <owl:ObjectProperty rdf:about="&ssn;detects">
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>         <rdfs:label>detects</rdfs:label>
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>         <rdfs:seeAlso>
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton#Skeleton
> </rdfs:seeAlso>
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>         <rdfs:comment>A relation from a sensor to the Stimulus that the
> sensor can detect.
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> The Stimulus itself will be serving as a proxy for (see isProxyOf) some
> observable property.</rdfs:comment>
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>         <rdfs:isDefinedBy>http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn
> </rdfs:isDefinedBy>
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>     </owl:ObjectProperty>
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> An excerpt from my local copy of the SSN ontology:
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>     <!-- http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn#detects -->
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>     <owl:ObjectProperty rdf:about="&ssn;detects">
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>         <rdfs:label>detects</rdfs:label>
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>         <rdfs:seeAlso>
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton#Skeleton
> </rdfs:seeAlso>
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>         <rdfs:comment>A relation from a sensor to the Stimulus that the
> sensor can detect.
>
> The Stimulus itself will be serving as a proxy for (see isProxyOf) some
> observable property.</rdfs:comment>
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>         <rdfs:isDefinedBy>http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ssnx/ssn
> </rdfs:isDefinedBy>
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>         <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="&ssn;Sensor"/>
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>         <rdfs:range rdf:resource="&ssn;SensorInput"/>
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>         <rdfs:range rdf:resource="&ssn;Stimulus"/>
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>     </owl:ObjectProperty>
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> Although it sounds like a fairly simple and straight forward issue, it
> causes lots of issues when one attempts to parse and use the SSN ontology
> in an automated way. The text written in the form of rdfs:comments are
> helpful for people but local restrictions are more helpful for machine
> interpretation.
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>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sefki Kolozali
> Research Fellow
> Institute for Communication Systems (ICS), home of the 5G Innovation
> Centre
> University of Surrey
> Guildford, Surrey, GU2 7XH, United Kingdom
> Tel: +44 (0)1483 689490
>
> E-mail: s.kolozali@s <s.kolozali@qmul.ac.uk>urrey.ac.uk
>
> http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ics/ <http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ccsr/>
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> On 17 May 2016, at 23:11, Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au> wrote:
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> Hi Sefki,
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> Can you please explain further what you meant about failure of  “machine
> readability” with ssn as raised in the meeting today? Before that, can you
> do your test with this ssn herehttps://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/  as it seems
> likely to me that dul could have been the source of trouble and this is the
> new  (FPWD) version with dul removed.
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> Kerry
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> --
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> Krzysztof Janowicz
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> Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
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> 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
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> Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu
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> Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
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> Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
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> --
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> Krzysztof Janowicz
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> Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
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> 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
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> Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu
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> Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
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> Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
>
>
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