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Re: Coverage subgroup update

From: Peter Baumann <p.baumann@jacobs-university.de>
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:50:23 +0200
To: Bill Roberts <bill@swirrl.com>
CC: "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, Maik Riechert <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>, Jon Blower <j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <578F111F.60102@jacobs-university.de>
Hi Bill,

I fully agree with you, it would be great to see that the outcome of this
group's work is aligned with the existing coverage standard. Which BTW also
accommodates the "on the Web" aspects.

best,
Peter


On 07/19/2016 11:07 PM, Bill Roberts wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> Maik and Jon can probably answer in more detail on that question but my
> understanding is that it is aligned with the OGC coverage model. 
> Demonstrating that alignment could clearly be a useful thing.
>
> Note however that this is consciously aimed at a different user group to some
> of the existing formats for coverages, in particular the 'on the web' bit of
> the 'Spatial Data on the Web' working group. 
>
> Anyway, plenty to discuss of course.  
>
> Best regards
>
> Bill
>
> On 19 July 2016 at 21:52, Peter Baumann <p.baumann@jacobs-university.de
> <mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de>> wrote:
>
>     hm, is this aligned with the OGC coverage model? If not, why do you think
>     that OGC could support something not compatible?
>     puzzled,
>     Peter
>
>
>     On 07/19/2016 10:42 PM, Bill Roberts wrote:
>>     Hi all
>>
>>     Sorry for being a bit quiet on this over the last month or so - it was as
>>     a result of a combination of holiday and other commitments.
>>
>>     However, some work on the topic has been continuing.  Here is an update
>>     for discussion in the SDW plenary call tomorrow.
>>
>>     In particular I had a meeting in Reading on 5 July with Jon Blower and
>>     fellow-editor Maik Riechert.
>>
>>     During that we came up with a proposed approach that I would like to put
>>     to the group.  The essence of this is that we take the CoverageJSON
>>     specification of Maik and Jon and put it forward as a potential W3C/OGC
>>     recommendation.  See
>>     https://github.com/covjson/specification/blob/master/spec.md for the
>>     current status of the CoverageJSON specification.
>>
>>     That spec is still work in progress and we identified a couple of areas
>>     where we know we'll want to add to it, notably around a URI convention
>>     for identifying an extract of a gridded coverage, including the ability
>>     to identify a single point within a coverage. (Some initial discussion of
>>     this issue at https://github.com/covjson/specification/issues/66).
>>
>>     Maik and Jon understandably feel that it is for others to judge whether
>>     their work is an appropriate solution to the requirements of the SDW
>>     group.  My opinion from our discussions and initial review of our
>>     requirements is that it is indeed a good solution and I hope I can be
>>     reasonably objective about that.  
>>
>>     My intention is to work through the requirements from the UCR again and
>>     systematically test and cross-reference them to parts of the CovJSON
>>     spec. I've set up a wiki page for that:
>>     https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Cross_reference_of_UCR_to_CovJSON_spec
>>      That should give us a focus for identifying and discussing issues around
>>     the details of the spec and provide evidence of the suitability of the
>>     approach (or not, as the case may be). 
>>
>>     There has also been substantial interest and work within the coverage
>>     sub-group on how to apply the RDF Data Cube vocabulary to coverage data,
>>     and some experiments on possible adaptations to it.  The main potential
>>     drawback of the RDF Data Cube approach in this context is its verbosity
>>     for large coverages.  My feeling is that the standard RDF Data Cube
>>     approach could be a good option in the subset of applications where the
>>     total data volume is not excessive - creating a qb:Observation and
>>     associated triples for each data point in a coverage.  I'd like to see us
>>     prepare a note of some sort to explain how that would work.  I also think
>>     it would be possible and desirable to document a transformation algorithm
>>     or process for converting CoverageJSON (with its 'abbreviated' approach
>>     to defining the domain of a coverage) to an RDF Data Cube representation.
>>
>>     So the proposed outputs of the group would then be:
>>
>>     1) the specification of the CoverageJSON format, to become a W3
>>     Recommendation (and OGC equivalent)
>>     2) a Primer document to help people understand how to get started with
>>     it.  (Noting that Maik has already prepared some learning material at
>>     https://covjson.gitbooks.io/cookbook/content/)
>>     3) contributions to the SDW BP relating to coverage data, to explain how
>>     CovJSON would be applied in relevant applications
>>     4) a note on how RDF Data Cube can be used for coverages and a process
>>     for converting CovJSON to RDF Data Cube
>>
>>     Naturally I expect to discuss this proposal in plenary and coverage
>>     sub-group calls!
>>
>>     Best regards
>>
>>     Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
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