Re: SOSA core - procedures vs devices

> but I am presuming that the core vocabulary "carries" similar 
> semantics to the intensive (vertical) additions

IMHO, vertical modules are further restricting the interpretation of 
SOSA-core terms while horizontal modules further broaden the domain of 
discourse.

Best,
Krzysztof.

On 07/13/2016 04:44 PM, Joshua Lieberman wrote:
> All of the possible extensive modules may be hard to predict and plan, 
> but I am presuming that the core vocabulary "carries" similar 
> semantics to the intensive (vertical) additions, just as description 
> instead of prescription.
>
> --Josh
>
> Joshua Lieberman, Ph.D.
> Principal, Tumbling Walls Consultancy
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>
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 18:33, Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au 
> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> wrote:
>
>> As long as the core is designed and explained in the context of the 
>> set of modules necessary.  normally not working out these scopes in 
>> advance tends to lead to an ugly kitchen sink model, but we are 
>> fortunate to have enough experience available to keep the core skinny :-)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 7:09 am Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu 
>> <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Øwe need something separate to handle the fact that different
>>>     types have very different deployment description requirements,
>>>     and this may require subclassing to handle in-situ sensors, vs
>>>     location being part of the observation, and maybe vs sensors
>>>     whose location can be calculated (e.g. satellite in orbit)?
>>>
>>>     Of course. But this won’t be in the core. 
>>
>>     Agreed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 07/13/2016 01:43 PM, Simon.Cox@csiro.au
>>     <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Øwe need something separate to handle the fact that different
>>>     types have very different deployment description requirements,
>>>     and this may require subclassing to handle in-situ sensors, vs
>>>     location being part of the observation, and maybe vs sensors
>>>     whose location can be calculated (e.g. satellite in orbit)?
>>>
>>>     Of course. But this won’t be in the core.
>>>
>>>     *From:*Rob Atkinson [mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au]
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 July 2016 4:26 PM
>>>     *To:* janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>; Cox, Simon
>>>     (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>;
>>>     jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>
>>>     *Cc:* danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de
>>>     <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>; armin.haller@anu.edu.au
>>>     <mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
>>>     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au
>>>     <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: SOSA core - procedures vs devices
>>>
>>>     That all makes sense to me,  but still missing something I thin:
>>>      a deployed device has its own spatio-temporal context related,
>>>     but not the same as the feature of interest, and a simulation or
>>>     model will generate observations. So i am happy with sensor as a
>>>     general term but we need something separate to handle the fact
>>>     that different types have very different deployment description
>>>     requirements, and this may require subclassing to handle in-situ
>>>     sensors, vs location being part of the observation, and maybe vs
>>>     sensors whose location can be calculated (e.g. satellite in orbit)?
>>>
>>>     On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 at 15:25 Krzysztof Janowicz
>>>     <janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         I would propose the following:
>>>
>>>         1. A Procedure describes the *workflow* used to perform
>>>         (carry out) the act of observing/sensing. The simplified
>>>         example I used today was temperature. One procedure will
>>>         require to mount a thermometer 2m above ground in an area
>>>         that is neither directly exposed to sun or wind. Another
>>>         procedure will use the very same sensor type (thermometer)
>>>         but explain how to place it within a certain layer of soil.
>>>         In the first case, the observed property is air temperature;
>>>         in the second case, it is soil temperature. Procedures are
>>>         key to interoperability and the *reproducibility* of
>>>         results. This notion of a procedure aligns well with Gil's
>>>         work on workflows as well as provenance work more broadly.
>>>         In the SSN-SSO pattern we stated that an Observation
>>>         /satisfies/ a (observation) Procedure and that a Sensor
>>>         /implements/ such Procedure. There are several types
>>>         (subclasses) of Procedure. I can think of at least two:
>>>         SamplingProcedure and ObservationProcedure.While this may
>>>         sound trivial, please note that a single procedure is used
>>>         to carry out *millions* of observations in the same way as
>>>         one uses the same recipe over and over again to bake a
>>>         chocolate cake.
>>>
>>>         2. The act of using a Sensor to arrive at a Result for an
>>>         ObservedProperty of a FeatureOfInterest by receiving some
>>>         Stimulus is what I would call Sensing/Observing (see also
>>>         https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/ssnx/ssn#Sensing). 
>>>         IMHO, we do not need that level of detail in SOSA-core but
>>>         certainly in other (vertical  & horizontal) modules. The
>>>         *most* important aspect here is that every single use of a
>>>         sensor creates a new (and unique) Sensing. This is why
>>>         Procedure and Sensing are very different. There are
>>>         thousands of (popular) procedures but billions of sensing
>>>         acts. Why would one care about the act of sensing? One
>>>         example would be to use it to capture contextual
>>>         information, e.g., about the weather and its potential
>>>         impact on a certain observation, other observations required
>>>         to interpret the results, and so on. If I am not mistaken,
>>>         this particular context is also known as ObservationContext.
>>>
>>>         3. So what Thing is carrying out this Sensing by following a
>>>         certain Procedure? I believe that we should call this the
>>>         *Sensor* and very explicitly state that humans can be
>>>         sensors, devices can be sensors, simulations can be sensors,
>>>         and so forth. This leads to the interesting question of
>>>         whether we should subclass sensor and I would propose not to
>>>         do so in SOSA-core. Given that we merely have the
>>>         expressivity of RDF at our disposal, we do not want to end
>>>         up with statements such as Human subClassOf Sensor.  Even
>>>         more importantly, I would not try to find a better name than
>>>         Sensor. Terms such as Device will exclude humans and
>>>         simulations and thus are too specific. Terms such as System
>>>         are too broad. Sensors are things that perform sensing and
>>>         humans clearly do so, e.g., with their eyes.
>>>
>>>         4. Try to avoid terms such as process and event whenever
>>>         possible.
>>>
>>>         What do you think? Does this make sense?
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>         Krzysztof
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 07/12/2016 04:50 PM, Simon.Cox@csiro.au
>>>         <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Yes, but I think we were thinking more that a procedure
>>>             uses a device, during an activity.
>>>
>>>             When describing the agents of observation, it depends
>>>             how close you want to look. There are multiple layers of
>>>             encapsulation. That was probably the motivation for
>>>             bundling them together in SensorML and O&M, but SSN
>>>             chose to be more careful about distinguishing physical
>>>             devices from workflows – which I certainly understand as
>>>             well.
>>>
>>>             The word ‘process’ is overloaded, and in particular is
>>>             used in contradictory ways in BFO and O&M, and SensorML
>>>             uses it in both ways. So now I prefer to avoid it
>>>             altogether.
>>>
>>>             *From:*Joshua Lieberman
>>>             [mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com]
>>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 July 2016 9:10 AM
>>>             *To:* Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
>>>             <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
>>>             *Cc:* danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de
>>>             <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>; janowicz@ucsb.edu
>>>             <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>; armin.haller@anu.edu.au
>>>             <mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au>;
>>>             <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>public-sdw-wg@w3.org
>>>             <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>;
>>>             <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au
>>>             <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>
>>>             *Subject:* Re: SOSA core - procedures vs devices
>>>
>>>             Sorry I missed the call today. So a device “runs” (l:n)
>>>             a procedure in / during (1:n) a process?
>>>
>>>             —Josh
>>>
>>>                 On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:39 PM, simon.cox@csiro.au
>>>                 <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 I’ve put some notes and a diagram explaining my
>>>                 understanding of the consensus from today’s call
>>>                 here
>>>                 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SOSA_Ontology#Procedures_vs_Devices
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Note
>>>
>>>                 1.I have adjusted the names of the classes to avoid
>>>                 ambiguity between the re-usable things and the
>>>                 events when they are used
>>>
>>>                 2.I have not yet implemented this in SOSA-Core – its
>>>                 just a proposal for now.
>>>
>>>                 Simon
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>
>>>         Krzysztof Janowicz
>>>
>>>           
>>>
>>>         Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>>>
>>>         4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>>>
>>>           
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Krzysztof Janowicz
>>
>>     Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>>     4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>>
>>     Email:jano@geog.ucsb.edu <mailto:jano@geog.ucsb.edu>
>>     Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ <http://geog.ucsb.edu/%7Ejano/>
>>     Semantic Web Journal:http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
>>


-- 
Krzysztof Janowicz

Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060

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