- From: Maik Riechert <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>
- Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:24:30 +0100
- To: Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>, Simon.Cox@csiro.au, j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk, rob@metalinkage.com.au, portele@interactive-instruments.de, public-sdw-wg@w3.org, l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl
Am 09.07.2016 um 16:30 schrieb Andrea Perego: > On 09/07/2016 04:39, Simon.Cox@csiro.au wrote: >>> where the UCUM string doesn’t reflect common practice in notation >> (note that it is limited to the 7-bit ASCII character set) >> >> Not quite. UCUM provides 3 alternatives: >> >> (i)Case insensitive 7-bit asci >> >> (ii)Case-sensitive 7-bit asci >> >> (iii)Full symbol. > > Just to note that this can be clearly seen in the XML-encoded UCUM > code list: > > http://unitsofmeasure.org/ucum-essence.xml As far as I see only two symbol-related variants are normative, the case-sensitive and the case-insensitive symbol. The full name and print symbol are not normative (see §28,29 etc). Therefore it is limited to 7-bit. It's a shame they defined a case-insensitive version at all. Maybe one could enforce the case-sensitive version if this is defined as some RDF data type. Cheers Maik > > Andrea > >> Simon >> >> *From:*Jon Blower [mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk] >> *Sent:* Friday, 8 July 2016 11:49 PM >> *To:* Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>; Clemens Portele >> <portele@interactive-instruments.de>; m.riechert@reading.ac.uk; >> public-sdw-wg@w3.org; Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; >> Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl> >> *Subject:* Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> Ø so we started this with people talking about the need for a full >> description, then the use URIs, now a proposal for a label only.... >> >> Do you mean “label” in the sense of “human-readable only”? If so, I >> don’t recall seeing such a proposal. In case it’s not clear from >> previous posts, the UCUM string is a full **machine-readable** >> description of the unit, with a defined grammar. Do you believe that >> this is a “non-interoperable practice”, and if so can you elaborate? >> What information is missing? >> >> By the way, there might be valid reasons for using a human-readable >> label **in addition to** the UCUM string, in cases where the UCUM string >> doesn’t reflect common practice in notation (note that it is limited to >> the 7-bit ASCII character set). So having both a label a symbol might be >> considered good practice, and they will often be identical in >> representation. >> >> Jon >> >> *From: *Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> >> *Date: *Friday, 8 July 2016 13:03 >> *To: *Clemens Portele <portele@interactive-instruments.de >> <mailto:portele@interactive-instruments.de>>, Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" >> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>>, Rob Atkinson >> <rob@metalinkage.com.au <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>, Jon Blower >> <sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk <mailto:sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" <simon.cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>>, Linda van den Brink >> <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>> >> *Subject: *Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> OK... >> >> so we started this with people talking about the need for a full >> description, then the use URIs, now a proposal for a label only.... >> >> It appears the consensus is also that there is no identifiable good >> practice, against the range of requirements, let alone a "best" one. >> >> So, do we seek to demonstrate how to apply the broader set of best >> practices, or stay silent on the issue of how to provide further >> information about a particular piece of information (which is what a UoM >> specifier is IMHO). >> >> One can argue this is not a spatial problem, and therefore we cant be >> held to blame for non-interoperable practices proliferating. >> >> OTOH it is necessary to have a treatment of UoM if we are to have a >> useful BP for the coverages and SSN cases, and its a key use case for >> the Time ontology. >> >> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 at 20:49 Clemens Portele >> <portele@interactive-instruments.de >> <mailto:portele@interactive-instruments.de>> wrote: >> >> I agree, too. >> >> It also reflects the experience we have made in GML. In earlier >> versions of GML we required that every unit is the URI of a unit >> definition. However, what happened in practice was that many were >> using symbols like "m" instead of a URI anyway as they are shorter >> and often better understood (compared to >> http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/EPSG/0/9001). Therefore we changed >> this in GML 3.2 to allow symbols, too. >> >> Often UCUM is used for the symbols as it seemed to be the best >> formalism reflecting the use of symbols in an XML attribute, but >> this is not a requirement as it was unclear whether this is suitable >> for all cases (for most cases it is) and because the UCUM long-term >> governance was unclear and we did not feel comfortable to make this >> a normative reference. >> >> We added the following note: "It is recommended that the symbol be >> an identifier for a unit of measure as specified in the 'Unified >> Code of Units of Measure' (UCUM) >> (http://aurora.regenstrief.org/UCUM). This provides a set of symbols >> and a grammar for constructing identifiers for units of measure that >> are unique, and may be easily entered with a keyboard supporting the >> limited character set known as 7-bit ASCII. ISO 2955 formerly >> provided a specification with this scope, but was withdrawn in 2001. >> UCUM largely follows ISO 2955 with modifications to remove >> ambiguities and other problems." >> >> Best regards, >> >> Clemens >> >> PS: The URL http://aurora.regenstrief.org/UCUM no longer works >> (talking about governance). >> >> On 8. Juli 2016 at 10:53:26, Linda van den Brink >> (l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>) >> wrote: >> >> +1 to Jon’s understanding of “best practice” >> >> Does someone have an example of UCUM? I haven’t come across it >> before. >> >> *Van:*Jon Blower [mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>] >> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 8 juli 2016 10:50 >> *Aan:* Rob Atkinson; Linda van den Brink; Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> ØI think however that this is another example where no practice >> could be recommended that does not include model/profile >> negotiation >> >> Does a BP really need to be as complicated as this? My >> understanding of “best practice” is “the best we can >> realistically do at the moment”, not imagining an idealised >> scenario that still needs a lot of thinking and discussion. >> >> As an application developer, all I really need is a unit string, >> plus some information about how to interpret that string (e.g. >> an indication that the string is derived from the UCUM or >> UDUNITS grammar). A URI for the unit can also work in simple >> cases, but in the case of a complex unit I’d much rather have >> the UCUM string. Maybe the QUDT ontology is useful, but >> personally I’m struggling to think of a practical use case where >> I’d want to use this ontology for any kind of reasoning. >> >> If we really want to propose some new approach, I’d like to see >> the BP explicitly separate “current best practice” from “what >> could be possible in future”, otherwise the BP document isn’t as >> helpful as it could be for practitioners. >> >> Cheers, >> Jon >> >> *From: *Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> >> *Date: *Thursday, 7 July 2016 22:56 >> *To: *Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl >> <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>>, Rob Atkinson >> <rob@metalinkage.com.au <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>, Jon >> Blower <sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk <mailto:sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" >> <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>, Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" >> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> *Subject: *Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> I'll put the conversation into this format. I'll put some >> placeholders for volunteers to put in worked examples of what >> they think are BP implementations and important and illustrative >> exemplar cases. >> >> I think however that this is another example where no practice >> could be recommended that does not include model/profile >> negotiation (distinct from content-negotation which has been >> given a very narrow scope). The reason is that there is no >> perfect, well governed and agreed model or list of possible >> units (two separate requirements) and that both need to co-exist >> - so any practice has to build in the mechanism to either >> migrate to an emerging standard or to allow support for >> multiple competing solutions. >> >> Or put it another way - all the incredibly hard problems around >> different UoM systems and finding a BP recomendation are >> simplified by a BP that allows for content models. If we are >> going to have a general statement about this in the wider BP, >> the UoM case can reference it. We dont need to overspecify the >> mechanism here - but warning people that such a capability is a >> longer term requirement can usefully guide implementation. >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 at 00:14 Linda van den Brink >> <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi – just trying to get through the SDW email. >> >> When I apply the template we use in the BP it would be like >> this: >> >> Name of the BP: **Use a URI identifier for UoM** (or a bit >> better worded) >> >> **why** … a problem description I could probably get >> somewhere from this thread >> >> **Intended Outcome** data user can look up the URI and get >> information about the UoM >> >> **possible approach to implementation** recommended >> representations include QUDT, SKOS, UCUM, OWL-class?, any >> standard relevant to the community of practice. >> >> I would very much appreciate it if starters of threads would >> make summaries like the above… >> >> Content negotiation is a neat subject but not specific to >> spatial.. I don’t think we should tackle this problem in the >> BP, or am I missing something?. >> >> *Van:*Rob Atkinson [mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>] >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 5 juli 2016 00:33 >> *Aan:* Jon Blower; Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>; m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> Thanks for the insights Simon. >> >> It will take some care to turn this into a best practice >> recipe that doesnt get broken immediately IMHO. >> >> We can get out of jail from an engineering perspective by >> saying you should use a URI identifier for UoM that allows >> content-negotiation to access one or more representations. >> >> Recommended representations include: >> >> 1) QUDT structural description >> >> 2) SKOS as a canonical means to describe labels and provide >> links to alternative codes >> >> 3) UCUM specification if relevant for the UoM >> >> 4) OWL-class ? >> >> 4) Any representations defined by standards organisations >> relevant to the community of practice >> >> (Content negotiation can be driven by MIME-type in headers >> or by explicit view parameters - need a separate BP around >> this that encompasses the UK and other LDA examples - its a >> pattern that generally allows us to take on a de-facto >> option and migrate to a de jure standard when it evolves - >> which we see as the most common pattern just about >> everywhere. We also either need to specify a set of views >> and their corresponding OWL models , or a way to bind any >> view to its relevant OWL model in a general way ) >> >> We can further recommend the UCUM URI structure. >> >> If necessary we can deploy such representations - I dont >> mind taking on the deploying using the URI redirection >> machinery I have deployed at resources.opengeospatial.org >> <http://resources.opengeospatial.org>. Would prefer someone >> to provide some endorsed representations - HTML, JSON-LD, >> RDF - for QUDT, SKOS and OWL-class. >> >> Minimum would be for some examples (simple, derived-with >> UCUM equiv, derived-without UCUM equiv). A complete set >> would be just as easy to deploy. >> >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 at 19:23 Jon Blower >> <j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk <mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>> >> wrote: >> >> ØIdeally we would have a reliable set of URIs for UOMs >> which could leverage the UCUM algorithm to build the >> URI, and which would resolve to a QUDT-based >> representation of the unit of measure. >> >> +1 >> >> Is it possible to use the UCUM symbol for the UoM the >> URI suffix? Or are there problems like >> character-encoding issues? >> >> Cheers, >> Jon >> >> *From: *"Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" >> <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>> >> *Date: *Monday, 4 July 2016 01:13 >> *To: *"rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>" <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>, Jon Blower >> <sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk>>, Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" >> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> *Subject: *RE: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, >> SSN,Time?) >> >> Lets be clear about what QUDT and UCUM actually offer. >> >> QUDT - >> >> ·primarily provides a model for descriptions of units of >> measure, and of quantity-kinds (a.k.a. qualities, or >> “observable properties”); the model is formalized using >> OWL, and thus provides an RDF-based syntax for >> description of a uom or a quantity-kind >> >> ·also provides some lists (called ‘vocabularies’) of >> individual unit- and quantity-kind- descriptions, but >> which is very idiosyncratic and incomplete (includes a >> whole bunch of currencies!) >> >> ·there are no rules for how the labels or symbols for >> units are built in the QUDT vocabularies; they are not >> aligned with the ISO or SI standards (e.g. the label for >> the unit of length is spelled ‘Meter’, and the symbol >> for the unit of temperature is ‘degC’), capitalization >> is inconsistent, and use of non-asci character set is >> variable >> >> ·the maintenance arrangements for QUDT are private >> (TopQuadrant + NASA) and the publication arrangements >> are flaky (QUDT v2.0 has been ‘on the way’ for about 3 >> years, and even though it is linked the qudt.org >> <http://qudt.org> website, it has been 404 for over a >> year). >> >> UCUM – >> >> ·Focuses on a rule for how to generate a symbol for a >> ‘derived uom’ >> >> ·uses a rigorous algorithm based on a theory of >> quantities and dimensional analysis, which starts from >> any base set of units in a rational system (SI, MKS, >> cgs, even pounds-feet-seconds if you want!) >> >> ·UCUM provides a base set of symbols corresponding >> essentially with SI, plus symbols for the standard power >> of ten prefixes (micro/milli/kilo/mega etc). The base >> set has some fudging to get around the anomaly that the >> SI base unit for mass (kg) already has a power-of-ten >> prefix built in. >> >> ·The algorithm and base set of symbols is such that >> symbols generated following UCUM are aligned with >> conventional usage, and with ISO 1000 >> >> · There is some additional notation using {} and [] to >> allow for annotations and ‘conventional’ units, which I >> always get confused about. >> >> My assessment is that the QUDT Ontology v1.1 is good >> enough, (I was on an Ontolog telecon with Pat Hayes, >> Ralph Hodgson, Gary Berg-Cross a couple of years ago >> where that was the clear consensus) but the QUDT >> vocabularies are not. So we need another set of URIs >> denoting uoms, with the expectation that dereferencing >> one of these would result in a QUDT-based >> representation. >> >> Ideally we would have a reliable set of URIs for UOMs >> which could leverage the UCUM algorithm to build the >> URI, and which would resolve to a QUDT-based >> representation of the unit of measure. These >> representations should be built on-the-fly using the >> UCUM engine. >> >> Note that, using QUDT, a uom description is an OWL >> _/individual/_ (not a class), but with complete >> semantics, still supporting some reasoning. Rob – going >> with individuals doesn’t mean you have to us SKOS and >> certainly doesn’t lose semantic precision - probably >> best not to casually suggest that! >> >> Simon >> >> *From:*Rob Atkinson [mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>] >> *Sent:* Saturday, 2 July 2016 1:32 PM >> *To:* Jon Blower <j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>>; Rob Atkinson >> <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>; Cox, Simon (L&W, >> Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>; m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, >> SSN,Time?) >> >> Hi Jon >> >> The encoding scheme issue raises a duality between class >> and instance - any UoM could be expressed as as either >> an instance (with SKOS encoding as a natural default) or >> a Class - RDFS or OWL being the default options. In >> addition a meta-model of UoM could be defined in RDFS or >> OWL and used to drive encodings of instances. >> >> Personally, I think that in the Web we should specify >> that a URI is used if one is available - and that an >> encoding of its details may be used as annotation. In >> the case of an "anonymous" UoM, then the encoding will >> still probably need to reference base units using URIs. >> >> The wrinkles are whether URIs are explicit, or encoded >> as items in a namespace - and whether any encoding >> scheme (model) may be used or one is recommended, and if >> the model itself needs to be explicitly referenced >> (presumably this applies to JSON-LD, RDFA etc as RDF >> will always use URIs to specify the model elements >> anyways. >> >> A worked example set with: >> >> 1) just URI from a well-known vocabulary (UCUM) >> >> 2) A encoded UoM with one URI, and a simple label >> >> 3) ditto, with a more complex set of details >> >> 4) ditto with more that one URI (e.g. UCUM and QUDT) >> >> 5) a blank/anonymous encoded UoM with base measures. >> >> Would we go so far as to recommend QUDT as the >> meta-model (as per example provided?) - or simply list a >> few in use and provide a couple of examples? >> >> This will cover the "follow-your-nose" cases - however >> there is the case of a data encoding where the UoM is >> specified in metadata. The question here then is >> defining a BP for this metadata. >> >> One option - we can use RDF-QB to define data structures >> and relevant UoM. I'm not sure there is an obvious >> alternative to ad-hoc metadata models and UoM specified >> any non-interoperable way that emerges. >> >> This option then speaks directly to the coverages >> metadata perspective (encoding of data using RD-QB >> becomes a trivial case - we simply state that if RDF >> encoding, then BP would be to use RDF-QB encoding >> consistent with the RDF-QB metadata for the set, and the >> interesting and more generally useful case is describing >> an existing or compact encoding usefully) >> >> Rob >> >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 at 02:20 Jon Blower >> <j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob – yes, I think those are the missing bits, >> but, just to reiterate, it may not be (just) a >> “vocabulary” that we need (in the sense of a set of >> URIs), but a serialisation scheme for any unit. >> >> For concrete examples, we should look at where we >> need to use units. I think we have: >> >> 1.As part of coordinate systems and coordinate >> reference systems >> >> 2.As part of measured quantities (e.g. the range of >> a coverage), linked to observed properties etc >> >> 3.… >> >> My last paragraph wasn’t very clear, sorry. I was >> trying to say that the different uses (coordinate >> systems, observed properties) might actually have >> different best practices in terms of the encoding of >> their units. We could feasibly decide that >> coordinate system units are best expressed as URIs, >> but the units of observed properties are better >> expressed as strings in a named serialisation scheme >> (like UCUM). Maybe, I don’t know – just raising the >> possibility. >> >> Cheers, >> Jon >> >> *From: *Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> >> *Date: *Friday, 1 July 2016 14:39 >> *To: *Jon Blower <sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:sgs02jdb@reading.ac.uk>>, Rob Atkinson >> <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>, >> "Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" >> <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>, >> Maik Riechert <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" >> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, >> SSN,Time?) >> >> This is the type of recommendation i think we need. >> Lets refine... the missing bits are: >> 1 guidance on what vocabulary.. even noting that >> different communities use different ones and naming >> them is a help. >> 2 provision of mappings if you want to interoperate >> across community choice here.. do you embed multiple >> uris, or provide sone sort of sameAs service? >> 3 concrete examples >> >> I dont quite follow the final paragraph and the >> implications for what the encoding would look like? >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:12 am Jon Blower >> <j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:j.d.blower@reading.ac.uk>> wrote: >> >> Just to add a little to this – units of measure >> are very tricky in general. The overall >> requirement, I think, is to have an unambiguous >> serialisation scheme for units, including both >> base units (the easy cases) and the infinite >> number of derived units (the hard cases) – that >> is to say, a spec for serialising units to ASCII >> strings. This allows clients to convert between >> units, which is a primary use case for having >> “strongly typed” units. >> >> In terms of serialisations, I’m aware of UCUM >> and UDUNITS (the latter is used extensively in >> climate/met/ocean and is connected with CF). I >> don’t think either are perfect in terms of >> governance, and I’m not even sure that UDUNITS >> has a formal spec. >> >> Then there are URIs. QUDT has URIs for a lot of >> base and derived units, but it can’t possibly >> have them all, hence the need for a scheme that >> allows any unit to be serialised. So there will >> always be gaps, but I note that QUDT covers a >> lot of the common cases I can think of – so it’s >> not clear to me how important the gaps are. >> >> Typical clients will just want to display the >> symbol for the unit, so we should make sure >> that, if we use URIs, we also transmit the >> symbol, as I doubt that a typical web client >> will want to resolve the URI and look up the >> symbol. This is effectively what Maik is doing, >> by transmitting the symbol plus a URI for the >> unit **scheme** rather than a URI for the unit >> itself. >> >> (Question – does QUDT use UCUM as a means of >> generating the unit symbol?) >> >> There are a few tricky cases in science – e.g. >> salinity, which strictly has no units and is a >> very weird kind of quantity – and sometimes >> these tricky cases lead to poor practice in real >> data files – i.e. expressing units incorrectly >> or inconsistently. (and of course, poor practice >> can happen in real-world data files anywhere). >> >> I think an overall BP recommendation would be: >> >> 1.Express units unambiguously if possible, using >> a named unit serialisation scheme or URI. >> >> 2.Give the unit symbol, and perhaps a longer >> explanatory text string (e.g. a rdfs:label), to >> help simple clients understand the unit, even if >> they don’t want to resolve the full unit >> description. >> >> 3.Also allow users to record “ad hoc” unit >> strings for fallback cases that don’t fit well >> with existing serialisation or URI schemes, >> making it clear that these are not really >> machine-understandable >> >> There may be cases where we can refine this >> further depending on the use case. For example, >> in CRS definitions, which tend to use simple >> units, it’s probably desirable to use well-known >> URIs to represent units. For recording the units >> of a measured quantity (e.g. the range of the >> coverage), I like methods like the one Maik >> suggested, as this maps more neatly to common >> practice in my community. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jon >> >> *From: *Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> >> *Date: *Friday, 1 July 2016 08:46 >> *To: *"Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>, >> "rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>" >> <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>, Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>, >> "public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" >> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: Units of Measure (BP, Coverages, >> SSN,Time?) >> >> *Resent-From: *<public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> *Resent-Date: *Friday, 1 July 2016 08:47 >> >> Perfect Simon - thanks. >> >> Its not that obvious trawling the docs what the >> pragmatic aspects are. >> >> So I would suggest then that a BP endorsed by >> OGC would have a minimum requirement that a >> mapping to UCUM is provided for any vocabulary >> used for UoM, to provide for compatibility with >> existing recommendations (can we call these BP?) >> >> If it helps I could set up a OGC resource for >> UCUM - with redirects for specific terms - >> instead of to the containing spec (thats the way >> UCUM works) - or to a SKOS resource with >> skos:exactMatch relationships to the UCUM >> terms. I can also deploy a crosswalk to UCUM >> from another UoM vocab if we decide to recommend >> it. >> >> The onoging governance of such a resource in the >> context of the BP can be taken up as a action >> from the SDW to the OGC (what is the appropriate >> point of contact here? NA, OAB, TC, PC?) >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 at 16:10 <Simon.Cox@csiro.au >> <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>> wrote: >> >> ØIf OGC has adopted UCUM as a BP (can >> someone make a definitive statement on >> this … >> >> OGC’s endorsement of UCUM comes from >> >> 1.It is recommended in WMS [1] >> >> 2.Ditto GML [2] >> >> 3.There is a branch of the >> www.opengis.net/def/ >> <http://www.opengis.net/def/>URI set for >> UCUM - >> http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/but just >> redirects to the UCUM spec [3] >> >> But that is purely pragmatic, as it seemed >> to be the best thing around at the time. >> >> It has a fragile governance arrangement, and >> URIs are not de-referenceable. >> >> [1] >> http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wmsversion >> 1.3 clause C.2. >> >> [2] >> http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml >> v3.2.1 clause 8.2.3.6 >> <http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml%20v3.2.1%20clause%208.2.3.6> >> >> [3] http://unitsofmeasure.org/ucum.html >> >> *From:*Rob Atkinson >> [mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>] >> *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 1:46 AM >> *To:* Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>>; Rob >> Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au >> <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>>; SDW WG >> Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org >> <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>> >> *Subject:* Re: Units of Measure (BP, >> Coverages, SSN,Time?) >> >> Thanks Maik, >> >> If i read this right, this example assumes >> the client understands qudt - then uses the >> semantics of qudt:symbol to map instances >> (Cel) in another namespace to this. UCUM >> uses >> http://purl.oclc.org/NET/muo/ucum/unit/temperature/degree-Celsius as >> the id - but the information to map to that >> is not present. Is "Cel" just a dummy >> example - would you actually want to say >> "degree-Celsius" - and in turn want the OGC >> redirect to respect that and redirect >> >> http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/degree-Celsius to >> http://purl.oclc.org/NET/muo/ucum/unit/temperature/degree-Celsius? >> >> What about the original assumption of using >> QUDT - why not use UCUM or another in the >> first instance. Coming from the outside and >> trying to identify a best practice, what >> exactly is this example saying? >> >> If OGC has adopted UCUM as a BP (can someone >> make a definitive statement on this - it >> should be present in the BP when we talk >> about vocabulary re-use - a list of >> vocabularies in use in the OGC space) then >> we should start with that perhaps? If we are >> saying the BP requirement is to allow an >> emerging body of QUDT usage to interoperate >> then we need perhaps to recommend publishing >> the mappings as a resource - whatever we >> think is BP we need to communicate clearly >> to the average user who wont have years of >> exposure to the history and details to draw >> on - and will most likely simply want to >> maximise interoperability of a few cases. >> >> Cheers >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 at 01:00 Maik Riechert >> <m.riechert@reading.ac.uk >> <mailto:m.riechert@reading.ac.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> I just wanted to throw in a slightly >> different/complementary view on this. >> >> While it is useful to have URIs for any >> kind of unit, I think it is even more >> useful to have a symbolic coding in a >> certain coding scheme for those units, >> because then clients with support for >> that scheme can easily parse the unit, >> and transform it and the associated >> numbers. One scheme example is UCUM >> (http://unitsofmeasure.org/ucum.html). >> OGC gave it a URI as well: >> http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/ >> >> In my opinion you would have something >> like that (JSON-LD): >> >> { >> "@context": { >> "rdf": >> "http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns>, >> "qudt": >> "http://qudt.org/schema/qudt#" >> <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt>, >> "skos": >> "http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#" >> <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> >> }, >> "rdf:value": 27.5, // for example >> purposes only >> "qudt:unit": { >> "@id": "qudt:DegreeCelsius", >> "skos:prefLabel": { "en": "Degree >> Celsius" }, >> "qudt:symbol": { >> "@type": >> "http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/" >> <http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/>, >> "@value": "Cel" >> } >> } >> } >> >> So the main point is that the value of >> "qudt:symbol" has a custom data type, in >> this case >> http://www.opengis.net/def/uom/UCUM/. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Maik >> >> Am 30.06.2016 um 15:14 schrieb Rob >> Atkinson: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking into the BP aspects >> around defining data dimensions as a >> framework for evaluating and >> contributing to various SDW threads. >> One which seems to cut across, but I >> havent seen an explicit treatment of >> the UoM problem. I know I may have >> missed previous conversatiosn - but >> I dont see any treatment in the >> current reviewable docs. >> >> Specifically, if I was to follow the >> W3C Data on the Web Best Practices I >> would be led via BP #2 >> >> "To express frequency of update an >> instance from the Content-Oriented >> Guidelines developed as part of the >> W3C Data Cube Vocabulary efforts was >> used." >> >> to this statement: >> >> "To express the value of this >> attribute we would typically use a >> common thesaurus of units of >> measure. For the sake of this simple >> example we will use the DBpedia >> resource >> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Yearwhich corresponds >> to the topic of the Wikipedia page >> on "Years". >> >> If we have a Time ontology - surely >> we would be pointing to that as a >> recommendation for temporal units of >> measure. >> >> Likewise, i would have thought that >> OGC would have an interest in >> binding CRS with their in built >> units of measure to spatial >> dimensions. >> >> One could argue that without >> interoperability at this level there >> is a question why the OGC would have >> any involvement in Web standards - >> but if there is a counter-argument >> then I feel this needs to be >> front-and-centre of the BP to >> explain to a potential user what >> they can expect, and where they are >> going to be left with making all the >> significant decisions. >> >> If we have Time and CRS UoM, then we >> may be able to get away with not >> specifiying a vocabulary for other >> UoM for measurements. Are there any >> obvious dimensions that need UoM >> vocabularies? >> >> When I specify O&M profiles, (my >> driving use case), I'll need to >> specify the UoM for measurements - >> is there any recommendation >> regarding which vocabulary to >> choose? And for CRS based >> dimensions? >> >> Rob Atkinson >> >
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