- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 16:14:09 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of this week's SSN call are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/04/19-sdwssn-minutes and in text form below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group, SSN Sub Group Teleconference
19 Apr 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/19--irc
Attendees
Present
RaulGarciaCastro, DanhLePhuoc, kerry, kJanowicz, robin,
Claus, Stadler, ClausStadler, ahaller2, JRamsay
Regrets
phila
Chair
kerry
Scribe
DanhLePhuoc
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Modularity: discuss Armin's proposal
2. [5]"Sensor" related to DUL: not a physical object,
should be an Object?
3. [6]Sensor" annotation: clarify relation to O&M Concept
* [7]Summary of Action Items
* [8]Summary of Resolutions
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<KJanowicz> has the meeting started?
<JRamsay> sorry, whats the webex password again?
hi Kerry, where can I the meeting Id and password?
<robin> Meeting ID is 647 066 501
<robin> I find from this
[9]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon201
60419
[9] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon20160419
<RaulGarciaCastro> it is
<robin> But I don't know the password
<robin> Thank you
<KJanowicz> kerry, you are breaking awar, maybe turning your
head away from the mic
<KJanowicz> i can do it
<kerry> scribe: DanhLePhuoc
<kerry> scribeNick: DanhLePhuoc
<kerry> patent call:
[10]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[10] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
is it this one? [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes
[11] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes
<kerry> [12]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/05-sdwssn-minutes
[12] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/05-sdwssn-minutes
<kerry> aprove minutes:
[13]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/05-sdwssn-minutes
[13] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/05-sdwssn-minutes
<kerry> +1
<RaulGarciaCastro> +1
+1
<robin> +1
minutes approved
Modularity: discuss Armin's proposal
First item for meeting is : Modularisation
[14]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
[14] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
Armin: the current version proposes two ways of modularisation:
Vertical Segmentation and Horizontal Segmantation
The main idea ofr Vertical segmentation is to use a subset of
modules/concepts without having uses another part
In the other hand, it's a bit tricky in the Horizontal
Segmentation
KJanowicz: is possible to get rid of DUL completely?
kerry: it is worth to use DOCLE as it has its own community and
we might need similar one to fill in the missing concepts
KJanowicz: be aware of maintenance problem of DOCLE
... I was among the one that proposed to use DOCLE for SSN
... I'm fine with keep it but I would like to highlight the
issues
<RaulGarciaCastro> +1 to having it out of the recommendation
+1 for leaving DOCLE out this recommendatin
<ahaller2> agnostic about it, but keeping it out of the
standard may be a good solution
<KJanowicz> +1
RESOLUTION: that DUL alignment becomes a note or some other
product outside the recommendation
<KJanowicz> +1
+1
KJanowicz: would it make sense to have different level of
complexity?
<KJanowicz> so, simple observation model module, sensor module,
observation module, deployment module, and a sampling module
ahaller2: I don't see any use case to have to many separated
modules
KJanowicz: I have a project only have observations, but there
are some other UCs can combine some subsets of deployment,
sensor module....
ahaller2: the core sensor module would be enough concepts and
properties to cover most of the need
... the core sensor module would have enough concepts and
properties to cover most of the need
... I meant sensing device core
<KJanowicz> rename sensing deviced core into sensor and
observation core
ahaller2: a minimal subset of sensing device at very abstract
level but cover most of generic and simple cases
<KJanowicz> keep in mind that there are many orders of
magnitude more observations than sensors
kerry: the ways of current SSN used vary a lot in terms of
grouping the concepts/modules, like IoT-Lite
ahaller2: the core sensing device is proposed is similar to
IoT-lite, but it's is in more light-weight
<Zakim> RaulGarciaCastro, you wanted to talk about vertical and
horizontal segmentation
ahaller2: if we pulled out too many modules, it's really hard
to know what it is a module
<KJanowicz> I would still propose to have something like a
minimal sensor-observation model
RaulGarciaCastro: introducing more modules might be more
confusing
<kerry> +q
<KJanowicz> I agree with ahaller2 heree
ahaller2: in the end: what is our core? defining sensor as the
central concept or sensor-obversion is the core here
KJanowicz: SSN was the first effort that put sensor and
observation together to make them usable in many cases over the
year
<KJanowicz> +1 for the alignment based version
<KJanowicz> q_
kerry: the concepts and properties can be added gradually via
alignments to make them more flexible
<KJanowicz> great idea!
<KJanowicz> yes, lets do this!
ahaller2: each of us will group the classes in modules to bring
to the next meetings to discuss
<ahaller2> +1
+1
<RaulGarciaCastro> +1
<KJanowicz> +1
<ClausStadler> +1
<kerry> ach DanhLePhuoc
"Sensor" related to DUL: not a physical object, should be an Object?
kerry: we can discuss about we can discuss logic profiles.e.g,
RDFS, OWL ... in later stages
in current "Sensor" is very general concept
<KJanowicz> this will cause problems
<ahaller2> +1 on moving sensor up in the hierarchy
kerry: I put the alignment by : Sensor is subclass of
dul:Object
<KJanowicz> yes, I will
<KJanowicz> I also agree that sensors should include humans and
simulations
KJanowicz: will need to look closely to this issue
<KJanowicz> I think computation in DUL will be in the
'abstract' part of DUL. I will check
Sensor" annotation: clarify relation to O&M Concept
<ahaller2> +1 reasonable
+1
<KJanowicz> +1
RESOLUTION: sensor annotation adjusted as discussed
<ahaller2> we don't have a resolution yet, though
kerry: we will bring up the issues to the big meeting
ahaller2: it might be a bit early to bring to the big meeting
due to a lot of uncertainty a.t.m
<KJanowicz> thanks, bye bye
<RaulGarciaCastro> Bye!
bye!
<kerry> rrsagent: draft minites
<robin> Thanks, bye
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [15]that DUL alignment becomes a note or some other product
outside the recommendation
2. [16]sensor annotation adjusted as discussed
[End of minutes]
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