- From: Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>
- Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:29:28 +0200
- To: Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
- Cc: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, "Heaven, Rachel E." <reh@bgs.ac.uk>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>, "public-sdw-comments@w3.org" <public-sdw-comments@w3.org>
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Hi Andrea, Thanks for your feedback, my replies are inline. On 10 April 2016 at 00:39, Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu> wrote: > Hi, Antoine. > > I went through the 7 Apr 2016 version of DQV, and I saw that in Section > 5.13 ("Express dataset precision and accuracy") the examples include one on > spatial resolution :) > > http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#ExpressDatasetAccuracyPrecision > > I have a couple of questions - mainly to better understand how spatial > resolution can be modelled in DQV: > > > 1. The first is specifically related to the "spatial resolution as > distance in metres" example. The example specifies explicitly the unit of > measure used: > > > :myDatasetPrecision a dqv:QualityMeasurement ; > dqv:hasMetric :spatialResolutionAsDistanceInMetres ; > dqv:value "1000"^^xsd:decimal ; > sdmx-attribute:unitMeasure < > http://www.wurvoc.org/vocabularies/om-1.8/metre> > > :spatialResolutionAsDistanceInMetres a dqv:Metric; > skos:definition "It expresses dataset resolution as distance in > Metres"@en ; > dqv:expectedDataType xsd:decimal ; > dqv:inDimension dqv:precision > > > So, I wonder whether it'd rather be re-written as: > > > dqv:QualityMeasurement ; > dqv:hasMetric :spatialResolutionAsDistance ; > dqv:value "1000"^^xsd:decimal ; > sdmx-attribute:unitMeasure < > http://www.wurvoc.org/vocabularies/om-1.8/metre> . > > :spatialResolutionAsDistance a dqv:Metric; > skos:definition "It expresses dataset spatial resolution as > distance"@en ; > dqv:expectedDataType xsd:decimal ; > dqv:inDimension dqv:precision . > > > In other words, the relevant instance of dqv:Metric needn't be bound to a > specific unit of measure - or I'm wrong? > You are right, I've changed it accordingly. > Also, I wonder how, by using this approach, it should be possible to > specify spatial resolution as "equivalent scale" (e.g., 1:1,000, > 1:1,000,000, etc.) - i.e., with a fraction, without unit of measure. It > would be great to have an example also on this! > > I'm making a try below: > > > dqv:QualityMeasurement ; > dqv:hasMetric :spatialResolutionAsEquivalentScale ; > dqv:value "0.000001"^^xsd:decimal . > > :spatialResolutionAsEquivalentScale a dqv:Metric; > skos:definition "It expresses dataset spatial resolution as equivalent > scale, by using a representative fraction (e.g., 1:1,000, 1:1,000,000)."@en > ; > dqv:expectedDataType xsd:decimal ; > dqv:inDimension dqv:precision . > > > Does this make sense? > It makes sense to me, I have added it in the example. > > 2. As Rachel said earlier in this thread [1], the new ISO 19115 supports > the possibility of specifying resolution as vertical or angular distance, > and with level of detail. > > Based on the DQV example, I guess the first two should be modelled as > instances of dqv:Metric (:spatialResolutionAsVerticalDistance & > spatialResolutionAsAngularDistance), whereas the level of detail should be > specified with a dqv:QualityAnnotation (or a subclass - :LevelOfDetail). > > Is this correct? > Sorry, I am not sure to fully understand your question, why do you think that the level of detail should be expressed as a Annotation? > > > Finally, on a different note: > > I think there's a typo in the following example (always Section 5.13): > > :spatialAccuracy a dqv:Metric; > skos:definition "It returns the percentage of spatial element that are > found accurate acconding to methodology XYZ"@en ; > dqv:expectedDataType xsd:decimal ; > dqv:inDimension ldqd:semanticAccuracy > > > s/acconding/according/ > > > I have corrected it. Many thanks. Riccardo > Thanks! > > Andrea > > ---- > [1] > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-comments/2016Mar/0008.html > > > > On 15/03/2016 16:42, Antoine Isaac wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Just a brief note about this, to >> 1: thank you for the input! >> 2: warn you that we've noted an action [1] on creating an example with >> DQV that shows how we could represent your case. >> This may go as far as creating a specific instance of dqv:Dimension for >> granularity/precision. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Antoine >> >> [1] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/264 >> >> On 3/9/16 2:37 PM, Heaven, Rachel E. wrote: >> >>> Noting also that in the latest version of ISO 19115 (ISO 19115-1:2014) >>> the spatial resolution of a dataset can also be expressed as a >>> vertical distance, an angular distance (gco:Angle), or as >>> levelOfDetail (gco:CharacterString), in addition to the previous >>> options of distance (=horizontal ground distance) or equivalent scale. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rachel >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Andrea Perego [mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu] >>> Sent: 09 March 2016 10:23 >>> To: Antoine Isaac >>> Cc: Phil Archer; Linda van den Brink; Riccardo Albertoni; >>> 'public-sdw-comments@w3.org' >>> Subject: Re: Data Quality Vocab for SDW >>> >>> Hi, Antoine. >>> >>> I can contribute a use case concerning geospatial metadata. >>> >>> One of the information that is typically included concerns the spatial >>> resolution of a dataset. This is expressed either by a distance - >>> e.g., data have a 1km resolution - or with an equivalent scale (i.e., a >>> fraction) - e.g., 1:1,000,000. >>> >>> I include below two XML code snippets to show how this is expressed in >>> ISO 19115: >>> >>> >>> Spatial resolution as distance (1,000 m): >>> >>> <gmd:spatialResolution> >>> <gmd:MD_Resolution> >>> <gmd:distance> >>> <gco:Distance >>> uom=" >>> http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/ISO_19139_Schemas/resources/uom/ML_gmxUom.xml#m >>> ">1000</gco:Distance> >>> >>> </gmd:distance> >>> </gmd:MD_Resolution> >>> </gmd:spatialResolution> >>> >>> >>> >>> Spatial resolution as equivalent scale (1:1,000,000): >>> >>> <gmd:spatialResolution> >>> <gmd:MD_Resolution> >>> <gmd:equivalentScale> >>> <gmd:MD_RepresentativeFraction> >>> <gmd:denominator> >>> <gco:Integer>1000000</gco:Integer> >>> </gmd:denominator> >>> </gmd:MD_RepresentativeFraction> >>> </gmd:equivalentScale> >>> </gmd:MD_Resolution> >>> </gmd:spatialResolution> >>> >>> >>> Property dct:conformsTo (or a specific subproperty to be defined) can be >>> used to specify the spatial resolution of a dataset / distribution, but >>> three things are missing: >>> >>> 1. How to model the notion itself of (spatial) resolution. >>> >>> 2. How to express in RDF quantity values (e.g., 1m, 2km, 3s, 4h, 5l) and >>> fractions. >>> >>> 3. How to glue #1 and #2 >>> >>> Actually, solutions exist to address point #2 - as the QUDT vocabulary >>> [1] mentioned during our first joint call [2]. But, to the best of my >>> knowledge, there's currently no best practice on how to use them. >>> >>> This situation is also the reason why in GeoDCAT-AP the decision taken >>> was to dump spatial resolution into a free-text field - a provisional >>> "mapping" meant to be replaced in the future with a more appropriate >>> approach. >>> >>> >>> So, looking at DQV, I wonder whether dqv:QualityMeasure (and the related >>> properties and classes) are generic enough to model also this >>> information. E.g. (just trying): >>> >>> >>> a:Dataset dqv:hasQualityMeasure [ a dqv:QualityMeasure ; >>> dqv:hasMetric :spatialResolutionAsEquivalentScale ; >>> dqv:value "0.000001"^^xsd:decimal ] . >>> >>> >>> another:Dataset dqv:hasQualityMeasure [ a dqv:QualityMeasure ; >>> dqv:hasMetric :spatialResolutionAsDistanceInMetres ; >>> dqv:value "1000"^^xsd:decimal ] . >>> >>> >>> Not sure this is correct. In particular, it is unclear to me whether >>> this is the correct way (in DQV) of modelling the notions of resolution, >>> distance / equivalent scale, and units of measurement. In the examples >>> above, they are all merged together in one instance of dqv:Metric - >>> which, besides resulting in a strange N-headed beast (formally >>> speaking), is not scalable. >>> >>> >>> A final (general) note: >>> >>> In my understanding, spatial (as well as temporal) resolution can be >>> considered as a specific type of data granularity. From this >>> perspective, and in order to ensure consistency and interoperability, it >>> would be desirable to have a DQV-based approach to model the general >>> notion of granularity, that could then be used as a basis for specific >>> types (as spatial / temporal resolution). >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Andrea >>> >>> ---- >>> [1]http://www.qudt.org/ >>> [2]https://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes >>> >>> >>> On 07/03/2016 08:08, Antoine Isaac wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Phil, Linda, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for this. This is in fact quite an important requirement; >>>> I've flagged it as an issue at >>>> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/243 >>>> >>>> It may however take some time to come back to you, as we still have many >>>> issues. Actually we had granularity in scope, when we started with DQV. >>>> But this was downplayed as the DWBP requirements were very vague then. >>>> Do you have some precise examples from SDW, i.e. showing what data would >>>> look like, and its problems? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>> On 3/3/16 10:46 AM, Phil Archer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Antoine, Riccardo, >>>>> >>>>> As Antoine will recall, the Spatial Data WG, here represented by >>>>> Linda, has a particular interest in the DQV. An issue that comes up a >>>>> lot in spatial datasets is that of precision and accuracy (the fact >>>>> that Magna Carta was signed in 1215 is accurate, just not very >>>>> precise, saying it was signed at 1215-06-15T00:00:00 is precise but >>>>> inaccurate). It occurs in general datasets too but it's particularly >>>>> acute for spatial. >>>>> >>>>> On last night's SDW call, I was asked to put you in touch with linda >>>>> specifically to talk about this, in particular, how you might express >>>>> these ideas in the DQV? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Process note: I'm archiving this in the SDW's public comment list to >>>>> avoid having to sign you all up to yet another mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> For tracker this is ACTION-149 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Andrea Perego, Ph.D. >>> Scientific / Technical Project Officer >>> European Commission DG JRC >>> Institute for Environment & Sustainability >>> Unit H06 - Digital Earth & Reference Data >>> Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262 >>> 21027 Ispra VA, Italy >>> >>> https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/ >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. 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