Re: IPTC Sport Schema

There's nothing complex about http://schema.org/athlete.  It's just
SportsTeam -> athlete -> Person:
{ "@type": "SportsTeam", "name": "Cool team",
  "athlete": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Cool Player" }}

There's not even an inverse property for it currently.  I mean, you can use
Person -> memberOf -> SportsTeam but that's an even more ambiguous role.

Things like Role allow SportsTeam -> athlete -> Role -> athlete -> Person
so you can add metadata that further explain the relationship.  So:
{ "@type": "SportsTeam", "name": "Cool team",
  "athlete": { "@type": "Role", "startDate": "2023-12-1", "athlete": {
"@type": "Person", "name": "Cool Player" }}}

Google systems parse that, but it's very esoteric and I don't think anyone
actively uses it.  I'd personally rather have a system that is a) more
general/standardized like rdf-star or b) more specific but fully fleshed
out like the IPTC sports schema.  Role was an attempt to do this purely in
the scope of schema.org.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:05 PM Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> Can you drop a link to the description and example of the use of “so#athlete”?
> I think understand what is going on but I’d like to read up on it again.
> Thanks.
>
>
> All the best,
> -Hugh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:33 AM Ryan Levering <rrlevering@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> schema.org usually has the unfortunate goal of having a simpler/less
>> valid ontology coincident with a better one.  So in schema.org we can
>> use Role to specify time-limited memberships like you encode in this schema
>> directly.  But we also allow so#athlete as a time snapshot for membership
>> (which is frankly more used).  We also have so#homeTeam and so#awayTeam
>> which are again shortcuts for your participation alignments.  But the IPTC
>> schema seems like a great model to push in the direction of and I think
>> many of the types there could be directly co-typed with schema.org types
>> without problems.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:52 PM Paul Kelly <paul@polvo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Public Schema/Schema.org <http://schema.org/> people, it’s been a
>>> while since I’ve participated here. I’m Paul Kelly, lead of the IPTC’s
>>> sports content group.
>>>
>>> I’m writing to tell you about the IPTC’s ontology for representing
>>> sports competitions and results in RDF. It’s called IPTC Sport Schema and
>>> you can check it out here:
>>>
>>> https://sportschema.org/
>>>
>>> Here’s a diagram:
>>>
>>> https://sportschema.org/schema-diagram/
>>>
>>> The site has samples, a SPARQL endpoint and copious documentation. There
>>> have been initiatives in the past for representing sports data on the web.
>>> Any interest still?
>>>
>>> Apart from structuring complex competitions and athlete histories, we
>>> incorporated a slew of sports vocabs that arose from the IPTC’s SportsML
>>> standard:
>>>
>>> https://cv.iptc.org/newscodes#sportcvs
>>>
>>> I’d like to hear any thoughts people on this list might have about what
>>> we’ve done. This thing will evolve and your contributions are welcome and
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Paul Kelly
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Paul Kelly
>>> Lead, IPTC Sports Content Working Group
>>>
>>